WBC needs to give Lorenzo the belt

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lobk, Jul 4, 2008.


  1. venomus_p4p

    venomus_p4p Guest

    Why would Lorenzo even argue that the belt should be his? My god he was getting a one sided beating and on the verge of being knocked out. If i were Lorenzo i wouldnt embarrass myself by even attemping to claim that belt.

    How can you be a Champion by default?? That is a disgrace and really makes no sense. No contest is the logical call.
     
  2. Spitbucket

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    In essence that's exactly what they did by taking the belt from Lorenzo. They basically showed the same ineptness Cortez did: they stepped into a contovery puddle and still didn't know how to come out of it!



    Again, they got together to correct the problem and all they basically did was to bend their own rules instead of setting a positive precedent.

    And as much as Soto would love the opportunity to get back in the ring with Lorenzo, anothe victory against him would do NOTHING for his career!
     
  3. M.I.G.

    M.I.G. and STILL... Full Member

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    Nah, it just means that they learned from their mistakes.

    It's all good man. We have different values in regards to how rules should be handeled and we can argue for days... It's time to go outside and get my 4th off to a good start.:thumbsup
     
  4. istmeno

    istmeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    “While we respect the authority of the (Nevada commission) for a decision of the fight, we are the only ones to have the authority to decide on the decision relating to the WBC world title,” he said.

    this is the quote from sulaiman. and it is complete b.s. what he is sayling in essence is that he does not have to abide by the official results of a fight. if it does not agree with the outcome. where does it stop. what happens when a fighter is clearly beaten and gets a gift decision. does he do the same thing because he feels that the wrong foghter won.
    as unsavory as it may be, lorenzo should be awarded the belt, and there should be an immediate rematch. that is the only correct way to sort this out.
     
  5. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Lorenzo should get the title. The official decision, as long as it stands is official.

    Soto was a dumb**** to hit him in the back of the head while he was down... and it wasn't a "soft" punch, and it did land. Did it make Lorenzo be able to not get up? No.. but don't argue with me that he didn't do it. He did.

    Rules are rules. Don't hit a guy while they are down, because it gives them the option of staying down, ala Lorenzo, or ala Griffin.
     
  6. Spitbucket

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    Even goin by your "rules are rules" argument, that punch was not flagrant enough to warrant a DQ. ANd as COrtez explained afterwards
    he could have just deducted points from Soto.

    Bottom Line He screwed up bigtime and was very inconsistent.

    Check out the first round of JMM/PAC, he could have easily DQ PAC for hitting JMM when he was down, He had a better POV and still nary a warning or point deduction.

    COrtez is consistently inconsistent!
     
  7. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    So where does the WBC stop in their decision making after a fight?

    So we leave it up to the sanctioning body to review a tape and make a fight decision 7 days later? If your pulling for that bull **** then Hopkins, Ruiz, and a host of other fighters should have been stripped of his tittle long long time ago with their dirty tactics. Hopkins was notoroius for fouling a guy when a ref couldn't see.
     
  8. Spitbucket

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    Don't be foolish, You're talking apples and oranges my friend!

    Everyone watching the fight witnessed what an incompetent job COrtez did which culminated in a horrible call and the boxing Orgs(who are pretty inept themselves) should have the power(somehow written in their bylaws) to correct such flagrant wrongs!
     
  9. Galileo Galilei

    Galileo Galilei Active Member Full Member

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    Well said.
     
  10. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    You deduct points if the fight continued, Lorenzo acted it up and made it like he can't continue, thus the ONLY option is DQ.

    JMM got up, but if he stayed down? He could have won by DQ.

    Life ain't always fair, when you break a rule you leave yourself open to being taken advantage of.

    Soto SHOULD NOT have hit him in the back of the head when he was down on his knees. End of story.

    Soto gave Lorenzo that out. Like Cortez said, he doesn't have replay. He has to make that decision on the spot. Was it wrong? Technically speaking? No.
     
  11. Spitbucket

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    I see what you're saying, for the most part.

    Technically, YES, COrtez had the right to do what he did but my point was that it his choice was extreme and inconsistent(and did I mention incompetent).

    As far as the JMM call is concerned, he still was hit when he was down and there was no warnings nor point deductions. Not complaining about that just pointing to his inconsisteny.

    He also commited Two other huge blunders right before the DQ. If you're going to step in to stop a fight, then commit to it, don't just go in there and stop the action only to resume it again giving the guy at the bad end of the beatdown an unfair break.

    Total Incompetence.
     
  12. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    That is not apples to orange. Its about the rule. No one is argueing about Cortez making a bad call but it was a bad call withen the rule. Change the damn rule and not a fight outcome after it already happen. We are now adding moral judgemnet into the fight cause we saw Soto beat the living crap out of Lorenzo.

    Like I said, if they are going to review this and over turn it then they need to review every fight. Now it becomes a judgement, moral judgement and not a rule of boxing that determins a fight.
     
  13. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OK! If the belt is given to Lorenzo and we all know Lorenzo was beaten black and blue by Soto. What does it make him?

    A champ indeed but it should be called " CERTIFIED PAPER CHAMP" coz he won it not by the score cards, not by his ability, not by his skills but
    we won it due to technicallity. NO more No less PERIOD!

    Can Lorenzo honestly say to himself. I'M A TRUE CHAMP! "YEAH! it's no brainer I outboxed Soto that is why has all the marks of my gloves. His blood is all over the floor! Yeah! I really had fun knocking out Soto" :hey :hey :hey :hey

    ALL I can say is " HAIL TO THE NEW (paper) CHAMP! :rofl :rofl :rofl
    thanks to the " technicality issue" NO thanks to the score cards!
     
  14. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Didn't Cortez say that he went to watch the tape back before making his decision? :?
     
  15. Farmboxer

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