WBC order winner of Fury v Wilder to face Whyte

How on earth can the jury still be out on Usyk? He is all wrong for Joshua and these big lumbering heavies. Hope he hasn't slowed down too much as age is catching up with him unfortunately.

 

Yeah and with speed being one of his main assets with will cause most of the HWs trouble. If he's lost that over the last year or 2 then yeah, he might not have much to offer the division.

 

The notion that he won't do well comes from some strange idea that if he gets hit once then he won't get up, but that can happen to ANYBODY at heavyweight. Fans can be weird sometimes. Usyk has a decent chin and against the big heavies he will be on his toes and moving constantly like the Gassiev fight. He will gas most heavies out between 6-8 rounds.

 

Might be a silly question but if the 3rd fight does happen and Wilder beats Fury, does Fury get a rematch?

 

Because he's only just moved up? That not me saying I'm questioning his talent and/or ability. It's just that it's a whole new ball game.

 

Agreed.

I still reckon Joshua would knock out him out though.

 

Usyk will be arguably the best but definitely the most prime opponent AJ has faced.

Excluding his pedigree as the undefeated undisputed cruiserweight champion he was 335-15 as an amateur with an Olympic gold medal. He was 6-0 in the WSB beating giants in 6’6” Joyce, 6’7” Modugno, 6’5” Fa and other quality fighters in Majidov and Nistor.

Usyk is the same height as the likes of Whyte and Parker and much bigger than Povetkin, Ruiz and Takam who all posed AJ problems with half the skill of Usyk. How anyone is sleeping on him as a genuine heavyweight threat is beyond me.

 

Usyk isn't the same size as Whyte and Parker and isn't bigger than the rest you mentioned. He might be as tall or taller, but height and size are two different things.

 

Indeed. Usyk has plenty of quality but if he's capable of getting down to 200 at his age then he's not going to be that big a heavyweight. Whyte (in shape) weighs somewhere in the region of 245 which is going to be thirty pounds or so more than Usyk. That's a significant difference for two people we are told are 'the same size.'

 

* Edited, I meant height. But my point is, at 6’4 he is more than big enough to mix with those guys. I met him at the Chisora press day and in my opinion the only guy physically bigger than him with mass is fat boy Whyte.

 

I don't think height will really matter in the grand scheme of things. We all know that the questions about Usyk at heavyweight, much like any cruiserweight stepping up, is how he reacts to fighting opponents who weigh fifty pounds more than what he's used to, and whether the increased weight that he will take on will affect his more natural attributes, namely speed and timing.

I think we have a tendency to assume good cruiserweights going up will become some un-hittable phantom who these lumbering heavyweights can't get near, and we assume there to be even more danger if they come up with power. But I think that tends to do a disservice to the qualities of the elite heavies.

 

Already mentioned before Usyk had no problem with super heavy's in the WSOB. He cut down to 200lbs for cruiserweight so now he is fighting at his natural weight, against Witherspoon he came in at 215lbs and I would expect against Joshua around 220lbs more than enough to maintain his speed and also KTFO him if needed. For comparison, Tony, (we know you love to compare things with anything that suits your agenda) this is the same weight that Wilder has been fighting in or around for most of his career.

 

Usyk will leave Tony Dosh PPV kissing his gumshield when reunited on the canvas.

No heart, no stamina, no chin and a menu full of stale puddings is not going to keep Usyk away.