WBC: Povetkin suspended for at least a year, 250k fine

A setup to save Wilder's hide from his first legitimate test.

 

Even if that is the case it isn't like that prevents news outlets from doing real journalism. It's a recurring problem I have noticed that most modern "reporters" don't do any research into the subject they are covering and they essentially end up parroting each other without understanding anything at all.

 

Funny to read about tinfoil hats and etc., knowing some of the situations how they were handled I wouldn't rule them out at all ...

Not going to argue with you anymore or try to push, that's just my opinion based on my experience.

If it was much simpler and there weren't strange coincidences I wouldn't even doubt that Povetkin is a PED cheat, but the whole situation is really strange.

 

I can relate to where you're coming from. Enough dirty business happens in boxing that I'm sure some of these theories have at least some grains of truth in them (and likely more than we expect), crazy as they might come off as. Bute is another example- I figured he was dirty (Memo fighter), but Memo's fighters don't test dirty, and Memo was also supplying Jack, too. The positive test means the draw vs Jack didn't complicate Jack-DeGale any more. Bute paid a token fine, got a slap on the wrist, and then straight back into a title eliminator his first fight back despite not winning a fight in 2 years and going 1-2-1 in his last 4 prior to it.

 

You mean evidence that his billionaire promoter has been buying him horse meat from Ukrainian gypsies that injected he horse with anabolic? LOL.

Or evidence that was put before a jury that he took meldonium previous to the Jan. 1 ban and not after, which the jury rejected so soundly that they only needed less than 30 minutes to deliberate and reject outright?

Please, put this evidence of his innocence before us. His own promoter guaranteed that his B sample from the Stiverne fight would be clean ... and it wasn't. Then it was tainted mule meat or some such.

The WBC doesn't handle the test results. VADA did. Go back and look at the Wilder fight negotiations and note that the WBC had to ORDER testing by VADA because Povetkin's team didn't want to be tested and wanted instead to use a nameless "European lab" -- not even a testing agency, a lab.

There is no question the guy is dirty. If you caught him injecting himself you'd claim he's studying for his nursing degree.

 

Actually "Ostarine" is very common in the food in Russia. Assuming you are American you probably have trace amounts of several different steroids from the food you consume. It is incredibly common and especially prevalent in Russia. You just feed it to the animals to promote growth and then when that food is consumed by you it is naturally found in your system, but it will only be small amounts.

The jury isn't educated on the subject. Experts on the subject have said that there is no way to determine for a fact that the meldonium was taken prior to the ban and meldonium is a quantitative ban under WADA protocol and he was proven to have under the limit of the ban. Then there is the subject of why meldonium is banned in the first place... Basically though, a ****ing jury should not have more authority than scientists. That entire case was stupid.

The B sample shouldn't have be negative in the first place since it is the same as the A sample, but apparently they sent the B sample to two different labs and one came back positive and one didn't. I think that has to do with the resources of the lab though, but I haven't looked into that one at all myself admittedly. I didn't care too much about it.

The reason a lot of Russians in particular want to use their own labs for these matters is because there is a group of them that think there is essentially a conspiracy against them, which they have a case for. Look into USADA's hacked files posted by FancyBear and you'll see exactly what I mean. Now, this information was posted AFTER the Povetkin/Wilder debacle if I recall correctly, but the olympics were hosted prior which is where all of that Russian controversy stems from.

Ostarine is common in food in Russia. Povetkin was cleared for the meldonium but a jury overruled their decision basically, but the jury isn't in a position to have extensive knowledge on the subject. People that are qualified to make that decision said that you can't prove that Povetkin did anything. Meldonium also apparently doesn't provide any benefits whatsoever for your performance. Ostarine does, but not that amount. Masking agents also apparently don't work with ostarine (that is just what I've heard), but if he did use a masking agent that would have been revealed.

 

Should have been banned longer but I guess this is better than nothing.

 

The Russians threw every expert and scientist they had at the jury. The jury heard their testimony and their evidence. Same for the other side, which also had experts and scientist who showed that he indeed must have ingested (or injected) meldonium after the Jan. 1 cutoff.

In neither case was the B sample clean. They didn't send it to another lab. What happened was that after he tested postive, his promoter claimed that they sent a different sample -- not the B sample, as only VADA had control of that, it wasn't given to the Russians so they could tamper or switch it -- to a lab and said he was clean. There's no chain of custody of that sample, it was taken AFTER he had failed and had a chance to mask or flush it ... hell, it could have been from a completely different person that Povetkin.

It's like if I failed a **** test at work and said, "Wait, I'll get my own sample tested." I could get a clean friend to **** for me and say, "See, this sample is clean."

Do some reading up on the Russian anti-doping program if you want to learn: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi-olympics-2014.html?_r=0

The DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRAM ADMITS TO LOADING UP RUSFSIAN ATHLETES WITH PEDS. Is he part of the conspiracy?

 

The jury are not scientists. I don't how they ruled. I care what scientists in that field have to say, and the majority of them, not even eastern europeans mind you, say that there is no way to conclude that the meldonium was taken after it was banned. Meldonium also does **** all to your performance in the ring/in training. This does absolutely nothing to my point.

I don't care about the B sample at all for reasons I already gave. Also does nothing to my point.

That link also does nothing to any of the points I made in my earlier post.

 

My link addressed your point that "a lot of Russians believe this is a conspiracy against them." The head of their own testing agency admits that he was administering PEDs -- that's not a conspiracy, that's why their labs can't be trusted, because the very man who ran it admits that instead of trying to catch cheaters (which is what an ANTI-doping agency is supposed to do), the system was set up to help them cheat.

Helluva conspiracy there.

Are you a scientist in this field? I don't think so. So how is that YOU think you understand this but the jury which heard from the scientists can't? You're not a scientist but you read what someone writes and think you understand it all clearly, but a jury hearing them explain it in person (scientists on both sides) just don't understand? That makes no sense.

There is a difference between medonion being in someone's system still after the ban date -- in which case the trace elements would have shown up on all tests, and in decreasing concentration -- and it NOT showing up in any tests and then BANG, it's there all of a sudden.

Find me a scientific test that concludes meldonium can appear in someone's body AFTER clean tests for it. The tests have the same threshhold for finding minute amounts, yet all of a sudden it's there.

Your guy is a cheat. It's been proven. If you wish to keep believing he's the unluckiest man in the world, that he's never taken a PED and yet keeps testing positive for them ... again, there's absolutely NOTHING that could convince you otherwise. If he admitted it and produced videotape of him injecting it, you'd say he's been brainwashed and the video was doctored.

 

The files hacked by FancyBears covers my conspiracy comment which I already mentioned and doesn't do much to my overall point to begin with.

I am not a scientist but I defer to them, who have said that Povetkin didn't do anything.

Through strenuous physical activity your body excretes more of it (apparently, that one I haven't checked out), but that is a moot point as the scientists came out and said that there is no way to determine that he took it after the substance was banned.

Povetkin is not my guy. I don't give a **** about Povetkin. You're ignoring that meldonium doesn't do anything, was recently banned without any real research into how it would even affect performance, and that scientists have said it impossible to conclude that it is impossible to determine that he was using it after it was banned. He was also below the limit anyway. The meldonium is a non-issue.

It is odd that you keep bringing up the meldonium when the Ostarine is far more damning as it is a qualitative ban and not a quantitative ban.

 

guess we will never truly know.

 

most people think mlb is rife with roids while almost no one in the nfl is on them. the nfl rarely catches anyone of note. mlb encouraged this to cover up the fact they juiced the crap outta the baseball after the '94 strike/lockout.

 

Lol I'm sure certain people will sleep a little better now.

 

Wilder is pathetic. Or at least his team