I didnt think you necessarily was bro just wanted to make sure others knew incase someone thought I was, I think alot of the people can be explained when you consider they maybe chasing alot of the other belts but two or three are suspicious for the reason I named above.
That belt for the Canelo v Chavez fight is a strange one,not in terms of why because obviously it's a lucrative thing but for the boxing fans they're looking at the ex lineal middleweight champion who gave away the belt to avoid Golovkin and in Chavez we have someone who has been so unprofessional for the last few years and was seen to quit on his stool,I can see now why the Catchweight of 164.5 was so important so as to make this fight a total one off,not related to any divisions or am I way off here?
I think this catchweight is there to give Chavez jr a chance to make the weight whilst severly draining him enough to give him no chance of winning, whilst also giving Canelo an oppurtunity to give triple G the middle finger when it comes to issues about weight.
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I was baffled by this too because Kovalev/Ward used vada for the fight according to Vada's website but I figured its because Kovalev wasn't enlisted in the WBC programme due to being champion with the other belts so that would explain his name on the list, as well as Donaire and Bradley who have used Vada in the past as mentioned by @Flamazide & @Nonito Smoak above.
Unless mistaken, Ortiz is enrolled in year round VADA testing. This list is really out of date and probably not helpful so be careful if you going down the road where you start pointing fingers. A few of the guys on the list are longtime testees under VADA. The list could be something as stupid as who as signed the WBC paperwork or something other because facts are that some of the guys on this list are also guys that have passed VADA... something doesn't mesh.
This list was on the scene today, I didnt create the list the WBC did so its not up to me to be careful. I only put it out there and said whose name on there arouses my suspicion. With that being said your right I'm not sure why they put this list out or how some people in the top 15 are in the programe whilst others are not.
You can bet 10-20% of them have probably taken something at one time or another. The more than likely fact coming from, you know... this being boxing.
But you do start off with suspicions. And going down that road is exactly what I noted, be careful cuz it won't end well when it is clearly a list that is not accurate. Or as I wrote it may be a clerical list, etc.
Suspicions and pointing the finger are two different things, the list is accurate for what is as far as I'm aware. The list states the names of fighters in top 15 not currently enlisted in the WBC clean boxing programme, it does not however state whether the people have used VADA testing for a fight before or not, so once you consider that distinction then it would have to be accurate unless your saying the WBC is wrong about the people enlisted in their own programme which would ludicrous. At the end of the article it says some fighters may be having paperwork processed but as of right now those are the fighters who are not officially enrolled in the programme.
Now you're arguing semantics, raise suspicions versus pointing fingers. Its the same ****. And finally we get somewhere, what the **** is the list? Fighters not enrolled in VADA testing or the WBC clean boxing program? Which is it? Whether they are on the list or not, it has no bearing on their cleanliness.
There's a distinction between the two one can easily get you sued so you may wanna be careful you take the former approach rather than later when speaking about people in the public domain on issues which aren't based on clear facts. Well it would seem to be the list of the boxers not enrolled in the WBC's clean boxing programme, so said fighters may have used Vada in the past like Kovalev for his last fight but they are not enlisted in the WBC programme for whatever reason in Kovalev's case he wasn't able to before the Ward fight because he held the other belts so was not in the ranking. Of course it doesn't tell you if there clean or not, but I clearly gave other reasons than the list for being suspicious of someone like Chavez jr and Ortiz.
A lot of these names have a very good reason not to be enrolled, but there are a few who stick out. And there's the thing that some of the guys that are enrolled have been found out to be cheaters who thought they could beat the VADA testing like they've succesfully beaten other testing agencies before.
Whilst he does have gyno it's clear he has gone after the IBF title so him not being on the list isn't suspicious in itself.
The WBC clearly loves both boxers. It should also be noted that (the now deceased) Jose Sulaiman was Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.'s godfather when he was baptized as an infant. So the Sulaiman's are pretty tight with the Chavez family. I'd like to see Julio stop Canelo. Chavez Sr. would certainly love to be in the winning corner opposite De La Hoya. Should be a wild night.