We all know Joe'd probably beat Dawson, but knowing and doing are 2 different things!

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And this is the very reason Calzaghe should retire. Because he made us believe that he just simply can’t lose.

    I know, it sounds weird, but think again: on the top of the P4P lists today by some, soon by the rest (unless PacMan turns out to be a magician), and Joe already beat, or polls suggest that boxing THINKS Joe would beat everyone out there that matters TODAY.

    This is the key of my point. Walking away with the fighters', experts', writers' and fans' KNOWLEDGE that he's unbeatable by the current competition is the perfect ending we very rarely see - and getting very upset if someone comes close to pull this off! But for once, let him do it!


    Of course you don't have to go too far in boxing history to find a similar ending (if it’s the ending).

    Another fine and undefeated champion did just that only a couple of months ago: P4P king Floyd Mayweather Jr. The thing is: everybody knows how good he is, that he still has some excellent performances left in him (despite hand injuries), and even if Cotto and Margarito’d give him problems, polls suggest boxing fans THINK he'd still find a way to overcome those difficulties to win... what a frustrating though is this! And still, you cannot deny it: who is out there who you REALLY REALLY REALLY believe could beat him? If a fighter never gets knocked out, upset, simply old or 'out-youthed', the imagination that where would his talent end is growing and growing and growing... 10 years from now people will still think that DAMN he was so good, and only God knows where was the end of his unprecedented run...

    Major difference is of course that Floyd is still not past it, barely 30, and of course he did not unify the titles vs. the latest youngters (Cotto back then, Margarito now) and defeated the actual oldies (Oscar OK, Shane not). Of course at 37, Joe beat the best young guns 168 could offer and the best old men that boxing could offer in these divisions. A Dawson win would be nice on his resume, but at this point (unlike Pavlik a month ago) Chad is not yet even rated as a P4P-er, especially not a big money fighter. But indeed he looks to be a special fighter of the post-Calzaghe era. Joe retiring knowing he beat the best young talents 168 could offer and walking away after CONVINCING the public he'd be favored vs. any other youngster in either the 168 and 175 divisions, therefore a decade older and still top the whole competition, would stay in people's mind forever.

    What a whole different taste we’d have Roy had retired immediately after the Ruiz win, capturing the WBA LHW title, and walk into the sunset! Imagine THAT ending!



    Joe Calzaghe should retire as he beat everybody that matters today, and while boxing believes he would beat who might matter tomorrow.

    Unfortunately just a few retired from the punching business while looking untouchable.

    Today, Joe Calzaghe looks untouchable.
     
  2. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    If it wasn't for the fact that both Hopkins and Jones floored Calzaghe, and neither Hopkins nor Jones (two guys known for being extremely pensive at times) put of much of a fight after that - I might be able to agree. The fact is Chad Dawson has exactly the sort of tangibles to give Calzaghe fits. There's a big difference between perception and reality. Perception, has been especially confusing for the boxing community this last year..
     
  3. yorkshire_boy

    yorkshire_boy Active Member Full Member

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    Good post, I fully agree. No real opponent out there for Calzaghe now. That ending would have been perfect for Roy too, just as he'd achieved everything he needed to.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Good post, BB!:happy
     
  5. yorkshire_boy

    yorkshire_boy Active Member Full Member

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    Is there any point Calzaghe fighting him though? Dawson isn't big money and if Calzaghe wins then no-one really knows who Dawson is except for the really knowledgable boxing fans (most of the critics of Calzaghe would also say Dawson was overhyped, Johnson beat him etc etc). Seems a lose-lose situation
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It would be foolish to go into the difficulties Chad had vs. the Polish and the Jamaican - and this is not even my point. The point is that today he's still not a proven P4P contender. Hopkins, despite his age, was a P4P-er coming into the fight and still is. And Joe beat a more credible opponent in him.

    I don't say it couldn't change: all Chad has to do is to beat Hopkins. But at the moment, when it's either have another fight or go away, Dawson's stardom and resume is not good enough (yet) to make Calzaghe stay - so why would he stay, if most think he'd beat him anyway?
     
  7. I think Joe would embarass Dawson even with Dawson's 3 inch height advantage. Calzaghe's inside fighting could cripple him and we all know Dawson has wose footork/outside skills than Joe so basically I ask:

    How would Dawson win?

    Still, I want the fight to Happen I just fear the 'Dawson was unproven' argument will rear its head. :(
     
  8. San Rafael Dawson isn't half the technical boxer Hopkins or Jones are so you can't use the KD's as examples for Dawson's superiority.
     
  9. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones floored Calzaghe with a forearm? Let's keep it real. Calzaghe wouldn't have gone down otherwise.
     
  10. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    When you put it in terms of money and fame and all that - no. In terms of true boxing prowess, and genuine greatness, it's the sort of challenge Calzaghe needs. There are questions about the quality of his best opposition, and the quality of his best wins.
     
  11. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    I think he shoould leave Dawson to Kessler.
     
  12. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Yeah, hitting someone with a wrist is extremely powerful... Good physics. Makes sense.:roll:
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Kessler's team has already made it known that they are not interested in fighting Dawson.
     
  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    What would be the point? To silence the critics. To confirm his true greatness.
     
  15. Kessler vs Dawson would be magic & a true 50/50 fight. Agression from Dawson versus technical prowess & pinpoint acuracy from Kessler with both fighters having similar levels of power.

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