We all know Joe'd probably beat Dawson, but knowing and doing are 2 different things!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigBone, Nov 10, 2008.


  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Team Kessler is not interested in this fight. Maybe in a year or two.
     
  2. Come on now San we both know Joe wouldn't get credit for a Dawson win now. :smooch
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    If Calzaghe was so interested in getting credit, why did he fight Jones and Peter Manfredo? Anyway, if he beat Dawson and Dawson went on to have a good career, he would get plenty of credit.
     
  4. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly. Beating Dawson gets more points than being able to beat Dawson.

    The same way that if Floyd beats Margarito and Cotto he gets definite points for doing it rather than just being able to.
     
  5. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe is one of the best fighters today and one of its biggest draws. Unless he doesn't have the desire to continue I don't want to see him retire. Why would we? Calzaghe against Dawson, Bute, Hopkins and Kessler rematches, Pavlik are fights boxing fans would love to see. Joe could have some great fights left in him, I hope he continues.
     
  6. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I get the feeling some, probably big Calzaghe fans, are somewhat worried about Dawson. Its easier to discredit Dawson or hope Joe retires rather than see him lose to Dawson.
     
  7. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course, but it's back to the old 'there's always the next one to beat' cliché. When it was already Pavlik, Dawson wasn't even on people's mind. Now as Kelly is off the radar, it seems people looking for the next one. But there's a difference between someone with a proven resume and someone yet to break through the biggest stage.

    YET Dawson is not big enough. Yet, he isn't in Cotto's or Margarito's shoes. So why'd Joe consider a fight vs. a lower caliber opponent (based on current resume, stardom), if he's just beat 3 higher calibers (Kessler for all SMW titles, Hopkins for top P4P ranking, Roy for the name and money). There's very little to gain by fighting Dawson and boxing world doesn't say Chad would most definitely beat him. So where's the big time interest? Dawson is the Paul Williams of the 2007. You could demand Cotto, a proven fighter for Mayweather, but in 2007, you could hardly demand Williams.
     
  8. Calzaghe #1

    Calzaghe #1 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree its a no win fight yet again for Joe, it seems joe cannot win even though he keep winning if you know what i mean:roll:
    Calzaghe would use speed and pressure to beat Dawson and Dawson lets not forget is a big guy and I cant see him keeping up with Joe.
    Calzaghe does have a big problem right now, who does he fight?
    Hopkins he has beaten in an ugly fight, hopkins would just try the same tactic and it wouldnt be a great fight to watch
    He could fight kessler again but then people still dont rate him
    Dawson isnt really a big name
    Winky Wright wouldnt stand a chance especially at light heavy
    Roy jones I dont think would want a rematch
    So where does he go
    My guess is it WILL be hopkins in a rematch at cardiff just to say he beat him twice, then he will give a young gun a chance in his record euqalling fight to become 48 - 0 and equal marcianos record
    Maybe Dawson, Froch, Kessler ???
     
  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    But he would. You see, there's all this chatter between us folks - and the fight films themselves. The fans, especially future fans, will want to see Calzaghe actually work his magic in the ring. Dawson can produce the kind of speed and fireworks that Calzaghe will have to genuinely match in the raw.
     
  10. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Dawson might not be a megastar right this very moment, but in the future if that changes - Calzaghe's legacy will suffer. People will say Calzaghe ran into retirement to get away from Chad... They literally will. The fact is Calzaghe has been focusing strictly on being a boxing celebrity the last period. Strictly. That's not going to be remembered kindly by the establishment, the rules don't allow for that. Chad Dawson has been seen as the most dangerous guy at Light Heavyweight off and on for months and years now. Based on how Calzaghe has looked at Light Heavyweight you would have to seriously question how well he would deal with the speed and power of Dawson.
     
  11. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    After Dawson gets embarrassed they will shove some other name out there, Dawson is nothing special at all, to say Calzaghe is ducking him if he retires is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in boxing.

    In fact lets start the whos the next Palvik/Dawson/? it never, ever, ever ends.
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No they won't... the average sport or even HBO boxing fan doesn't even know that Chad Dawson exists. The deeper boxing fan knows his name and probably knows he's pretty good, but not good enough at the moment to actually beat Joe. The hardcore fans most think that Dawson is indeed very good and COULD crack into the P4P WHEN he fights and beats someone like Hopkins, but would probably lose to Calzaghe as anyone else out there according to polls. Some think he would beat Joe, but other than some of his fans or Calzaghe haters, do people REALLY think Dawson could actually BEAT Calzaghe? If there's any, well, I respect their opinion, but they are the minority. If there's no one out there the public know would beat him means he's ALREADY achieved that untouchable status, who could blame him if he retires at 37? The main thing is: Calzaghe is already past the critical years most fighters became old, shot and had numerous defeats. There's no blame if he retires when everyone knows he already beat or would beat everyone out there.

    The thing I said when Calzaghe picked Roy over Kelly was that beating a past but ALREADY established legend, or someone who might or might not be the next big thing, he chose the one that will always look good on his record. Kelly's name looks just excellent on Hopkins' resume, but the name itself could be forgotten 15 years from now if he loses to Abraham/Williams/Kessler etc. The thing of course why Pavlik's name will always shine on Nard's record is that the time not only he was undefeated, but an undisputed champion and a top5 P4P-er. For that, yes, Calzaghe should've fought him as well as Jones... but he chose Roy, Pavlik fought Hopkins and he did not beat Hopkins to get into a LEGITIMATE position the be the real contender for Joe. Had he knocked out Hopkins, I'd shout Calzaghe-Pavlik right now. But he didn't.

    At the moment, we just don't know whether Chad will be undisputed champion or a top10 P4P-er or not. He LOOKS LIKE like one, but he's not yet one. So if you beat him, you can only gain something like 'I beat a guy who LOOKED like a P4P-er, but wasn't'. What good is that? This is the difference between Pavlik a month ago and anyone else with a similar 0 in his record. And there are many.

    There are 3 undefeated champions at LHW, 3 (shortly) at SMW. 2 tough Romanian champs in Bute and Diaconu, Hungarian lineal champ Erdei, Russian power puncher Inkin, the British Froch and Canadian Pascal fight winner... their fans of course all could make the Dawson point: prove vs. our undefeated fighter - but prove what? In a few month, people will shout Dirrell! or Cloud!... because there's always the next guy... so far, unless Dawson/Bute/Froch etc. beats Hopkins or Kessler and looks better than Joe to make us believe they are real threats, there's no reason for Joe to stay.
     
  13. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    dawson would be up for it i am sure .it would be his biggest pay day.
    i think it would be a decent fight but joe winning.
    and after beating dawson,there is no one left for the doubters to throw at him.
     
  14. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I doubt it would be his biggest pay day, certainly not bigger than the Jones fight I would have said. There are plenty left for the doubters to throw at him - Bute is still undefeated at 168, the next 175lb fighter Calzaghe is "terrified" of would probably be Diaconu or Tavoris Cloud or someone like that. There's always going to be some up and coming next big thing. If I was him I'd get out now, he's still near the top of his game and has nothing left to prove. If he continues indefinitely then sooner or later he is going to get beat and it will probably be by someone who would not have lived with him in his prime.
     
  15. OPBF

    OPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is a good point. If and when Calzaghe beats Dawson, new threats would arise and people will just demand he face them all. But he's already 37 years old. The critics will never be satisfied. I heard people say they'd respect Calzaghe if he beat Lacy, then it was Kessler, then they moved to Hops, then RJJ. People will never be satisfied with Calzaghe.

    And he's no spring chicken either.