We Are Far Too Impatient-We Should Let Fights Build-It Makes Them More Significant

"patiency" --Deontay Wilder

 

even though people want ward/ggg, hbo probably won't make that fight till late 2016 or 2017.

 

Cotto Canelo could seriously be the next Pac Floyd if they wanted it to. It's already got ducking claims/sides which helped build the anticipation of Floyd Pac. Cotto is getting some serious hate, he could play the Floyd side with Canelo being the hero to vanquish us from the evil Cotto...but alas, we're better off waiting for hell to freeze over than for a PR vs Mexican to duck each other for five years.

 

you can't force these fighters to fight each other, jones wanted 60/40 and hopkins wanted 50/50

both guys went their separate ways until they fought in 2010.

sometimes ego can get in the way.

 

cotto/canelo should have already happened by now. people been talking about that fight for a couple of years.

I think canelo sent cotto a contract last year, but cotto chose Martinez.

they were supposed to fight last year but cotto took the rest of the year off

also they were supposed to fight in early june, but cotto went and signed to roc nation which upset top rank because they were negotiating on his behalf.

 

Boxing is the only sport the product is constantly being destroyed because it's the goal and the fans always want to see fighters against the guys with the best chance of destroying the other. Then people wonder why boxing has a hard time gaining momentum when the driving brands are always changing or being rendered insignificant because of being pummeled or hitting their plateau and being forgotten by fans.

 

Yeah, how bout they all just stop fighting and retain their perfect records? Poor little guys.

 

:good I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. Golovkin - Monroe Jr, Pacquiao - Aligieri, Wladimir - Jennings are fights that pop into my tiny brain. Monroe Jr is clearly a talent but one which had not matured yet, Aligieri went from fighting journeymen to P4P in just 12 months. Jennings had only had 19 bouts and a very limited amateur career. The cap in experience was enormous and it showed. Jennings gave Wlad one of his thoughest fights in years and who knows, had Jennings

I strongly disagree. Povetkin was already Wladimirs mandatory in 2008.
By the time Povetkin faced Wladimir, he had beaten:

1. Friday Ahunanya
2. Larry Donald
3. Chris Byrd
4. Eddie Chambers
5. Ruslan Chagaev
6. Cedric Boswell
7. Marco Huck

And there were plenty of other fringe contenders and quality journeymen.
Sasha had already accumilated the best resume any contender at that point had and even if you were to discard his current 3 fight win streak, it would still be the best resume by a significant margin.

:yep Neither man has done naything of note on paper with the exception of Wilders WBC belt, but any reasonable boxing pundit views it as a fradulant title.

Dont agree. While yes, Kovalev has asserted himself as one of the best in the buisness, while Stevenson lost steam faster than a 3 dollar hooker looses clients after she reveals her STDs.
Kovalev vs Stevenson was viewed as a fight between two (somewhat)crude punchers, that could go either way.
Both fighters were active and on impressive KO streaks while pulling in big numbers on HBO. They even fought on the same card and then Stevenson ran away.
Now everyone would pick Kovalev by KO.

:good Golovkin vs Lemieux would be a heck of a fight but Lemieux is only just now showing what hes really made of. Let him have a few more fights against actual top contenders.

I agree but there are just too many fights that are not happening in a higly fragmented sport. Our biggest fight took 6 years to put together, we have 17 weight classes with over 60 world champions, yet we only have 5 fighters who hold more than one championship.

1. Wladimir Klitchko - WBA,WBO,IBF
2. Sergey Kovalev - WBA, WBO, IBF
3. Floyd Mayweather - WBA 147/154, WBC 147/154, WBO 147
4. Guillermo Rigondeaux - WBA, WBO
5. Juan Francisco Estrada WBA, WBO

Back in the day, or what ever, fighters had great resumes because they had to fight top contenders to get to a title shot. This is not the case anymore and it has not been for a long time.


At one point the middleweight division was ruled by ze Germans: Sturm, Zbik, Sylvester - none of them unified although Sturm fought both of them.
And i will never forgive Bob Arum for Gamboa-Lopez.

 

The point falls in line with the thread. Most times fights being pushed don't make sense by fans or haters who want to too much to fast because they think their guy can handle it or haters who want too much to fast for a guy they want to see lose. Now, is there anything you need me to explain to you, like why is the sky blue, the birds and the bees.. etc??

 

One could make the point that the reason there is so much urgency in the fight game is because it's very hard to put together an impressive streak of victories. The longer you wait the more likely a fighter will lose and then the match up won't be seen as high quality. You think that by delaying fights the fighters will get better, but usually they just get worse. Old fighters decline. Prime fighters pass out of their primes. Two guys who are near each other in age, one will have a much harder career and decline faster. Fighters are like fruit, you got to get them fresh and there's a real short window between the green times and the rotten days.

You know how few ATG fighters actually beat another ATG fighter in their prime? It's practically unheard of. A lot of these guys primes are like three to five years if they fight for ten or fifteen years. In that time, they've only got so many defenses of a title. And two guys primes almost never overlap.

Take Larry Holmes' lousy reign at heavyweight. He had an awful reign and was noted for avoiding his greatest opponents. He missed Greg Page, Pinklon Thomas, Dokes, Coetzee, and should have rematched Witherspoon. But if you wanted to, you could make the point that whenever he was in talks to face one of them they got beat and he faced the guy who beat them. In time, those challengers had much less impressive careers than Page, Thomas, or Dokes, but that's boxing. It's like how people criticize Pacquiao for beating the best guys around (De La Hoya, Mosley, Hatton) right after they had been beaten by Mayweather. It probably hurt Pac's box office too. Or look how Andre Berto was riding straight to a Mayweather fight when he was derailed by Guerrero and Ortiz, so then they got the shot instead.

The longer you wait, there is more chance for something to go wrong. Ripeness is all. Seize the day. Cause it's a young man's sport and time waits for no man.

 

On one of the end spectrum you will have the "he wasn't ready yet" excuse or valid reason crowd and on the other you will have the "he was no longer prime" excuse or valid reason crowd. Pick your poison as these arguments will always be inclusive in boxing. I know I'd rather have the latter argument because more often than not the fights become much bigger over time, and that at least makes for a bigger more interesting and anticipating event which drives boxing. Also, fighters last much longer nowadays and certain fights can be built up for longer with no adverse affect on their quality.

 

CST you make a lot of great posts but I firmly disagree with this one. It basically condones the best avoiding the best and it is a terrible idea. Great for fighters because they make more money but it will inevitably be dragged out far too long...i.e. May/Pac, Rjj vs Bhop 2 and the fights never live up to the hype because both are beyond their prime.

Now is the perfect time for Kovalev vs Adonis or Ward or Ward vs GGG. All in their early thirties... Why wait? None of them are getting "more prime" I get Canelo waiting a year or so before ggg because Canelo is just entering his prime.