''We don't want to admit it, but athletes gets better'' ...& Mike Tyson Mysteries

Right, thanks for the clarification.

We're finally on the same page.

I see now exactly where you're coming from.


I agree that if you put George in a time machine, and you transported him from the early 60's, and then lined him up in the current team next Saturday, he would find it difficult. Because on some match days, he'd been out the night before until all hours. So I get that.

But let's say that he was transported to Man United's training ground this past May/June. Let's suppose that he was put on a strict diet, with no booze, and at the end of pre season, he was physically up to the standard of the rest of the squad.

Let's just assume all of those things, for fun.

If that had happened, and his fitness stats had've equalled everyone else's, and he'd have played in pre season friendlies, IYHO, could he have played for United this season?

I think he could have done, had those things have happened.


Back to boxing.

I think there's fighters from the past, who you could literally transport directly to the dressing room of today, to get gloved up just prior to the fight, that would go straight into the ring and beat some of today's guys.

There's many, many examples.


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Yet again, you're comparing like with like, which is silly.

When you say "the worst Spain team in 80 years" do you mean that the Spanish team of the 30s and 40s would beat them?

Or are you being logical for once and saying that, its the least "competitive" Spanish team of the last 80 years?

Yet again, you seem to live in some alternate reality where the standard of football/soccer in the 1960/1970s is the same as nowadays.

Its not....not even close.

The speed and standard has even changed from when I was young in the early 90s, let alone the 70s.

 

the worst Spain team in 80 years

I never said anything like that. You seem to have trouble reading.

 

I dont think 6 months would do it as the game itself has changed a lot.

But if you put an 17 year old Best into the youth set up, and trained him for a couple of years then yes, he'd come out as the best 19 year old around, because his natural ability would put him ahead of everyone else.

 

Ok, Brazilian side.

The question still stands exactly as I put it.
Do you think the Brazil sides of the 40s and 50s would beat this one, or are you saying that its the least "competitive team" of the last 80 years.

Theres a huge difference

You still refuse to accept that the game is completely different to what it was in the 60s/70s. Which is ridiculous.

The modern game is faster, more skilled and advanced tactically.

 

P.S. sorry everyone for making this a soccer related thread!

 

There's no substance to your argument. Just the same **** over and over.

Football isn't about who can run faster. Why were Brazil so **** this year if the game has changed?
Its a game of pure skill.
Doesn't mater one bit if Best, Pele , Maradona, LeTisser, Baggio etc etc couldn't run 30 laps around the pitch.
Many guys today could but don't have anywhere near the pure skill and talent.

 

The 1970 and 1982 Brazil teams would of blitzed through this world cup.

I grew up watching football in the 90s and it was a much better game then than it is now.

Have you got some sort of proof that it is faster? Most guys these take can't take a tackle. They follow the cheque. Its game of transfers.
There no passion or dedication to clubs anymore.

The top teams have one star player like Messi and ronaldo and managers build the whole team around them. Without them they crumble.

That is why Germany breezed thu the world cup. Assists and solid team play.

Man U were far better in the 90's than they are today.

 

Yeah, you're right, all these teams hire teams of S+C coaches, nutritionists etc,at great expense because it makes absolutely no difference.:roll:

So if Messi was 4 stone overweight, it wouldnt matter because hes just so skilled??

If Cristiano Ronaldo was stumpy and slow, he'd be the same player...because of his skill right??

Theo Walcott would be the same player without his speed right?? Its all skill after all!

And actually Pele was an exceptional athlete and it was one of the things that set him apart from players of his time.

Le Tissier was a cult hero at SOUTHAMPTON, stop making him out to be some all time great!

GTFOH you ape!

You're sounding dumber with each post.

If you cant watch a game from that era and see that the game has COMPLETELY changed,then I cant help you.

I can see the differences from when I was a kid in the early 90s!

 

Because he refused to leave Southampton. How does that diminish his ability? He is an all time great. That is a fact.

 

Le Tissier...all time great....Sweet Jesus...

 

Its not really the athletes who get better.
Its the Sport scientists making things more important.
Pointing out the flaws on Monitors so sports people can change their games ever so slightly to get that extra 1% which can mean that Loss turning into a Win.
Dietitians.
Sports psychologists

The list goes on.

If Ali, Tyson himself even Joe Bugner were in this era they would all be better Sportsmen.

Pele and Maradona in this era would be better.

 

I respect your opinion, even though I don't agree.

I think once you'd got him up to speed, he'd be fine.

I don't see how he'd need a couple of years.

It's not as though he wasn't fit at all when he played in the 60's.

It's just that he wasn't as fit as you have to be today.

But realistically, he wouldn't have needed long to catch up.


If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

I'm 34, and I'll be 35 in February.


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Carry on.

I'm sure there's many other analogies as well.

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