We have seen Abraham's one punch KO power. Why are people saying Dirrell is faking?

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  1. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Definitely that punch was nothing more than Joe Calzaghe's slap,
    there was no power/proper body movement coming after that shot.
    usually every boxer receives around 10-20 such shots per round
    and not going down or some not even blink after that.

    There is possibility the shot was perfectly reaching some sensitive spot
    but there is equal possibility about Dirrell really faking it (the after shot
    complete delirium) smelling an easy DQ for Abraham

    I agree that was heat of the moment but for both of them: Abraham
    for showing his desperation, Dirrell for taking his own advantage of this.
     
  2. boxeo#1

    boxeo#1 Boxer-Puncher banned

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    Because first he was saying something to the ref or Arthur, which made it look fake.
    I also haven't yet read scientific proof (of a quoted doctor or something) what could explain this and if it possible to first talk and then go out cold and tremble.

    Untill I read proof that this phenomenon exists, I don't belive it was real.

    Oh and f*ck Abraham for this action btw. He robbed us of two very interesting last rounds.
     
  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215761
     
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  5. Ecks

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    This is what happened. Dirrell was running too fast and he slipped and fell. Abraham landed an arm punch that looked much worse than it possibly could have been, there's no way he got concussive power on that shot. You could see Dirrell waiting for another punch from Abraham, watch it again you can see Dirrell looking at Abraham through the corner of his eye, he looked very alert. Dirrell softly laid his head down and a second later began to twitch. EVEN THE REF KNEW DIRRELL WAS CONSCIOUS! The ref talking to Dirrell: "I'm going to stop the fight" You can hear it in the refs tone that he knew Dirrell was milking it, or else why was he talking directly to an unconscious person?
    Now I'm sure the punch did stun Dirrell, and IMO the Dq was warranted.
    Dirrell had a couple choices, take the 5 minutes and fight on and risk getting ko'd, (which he would have) Or pretend to be unconscious and secure the win, he made the right choice, but please, he didn't have to take it that far.
     
  6. Lets analyze a couple of the arguments (claims) made by the idiots saying Dirrell was faking.

    1. Thats true, but 99% of those 10-20 punches per round the fighter SEES coming and is able to roll with the shot or brace for it. Dirrell was clearly blindsided.
    2. The shot landed right on the money at the tip of Dirrell's chin. In case you've never seen someone get knocked out before...thats one of those spots boxers like to aim for to get that "KO effect."

    No, look at the replay again please. Dirrell was hit, instinctively took his hands to his face and fell over stiff. There was only one angle shown of the KO, and at no point could you even see Dirrell's eyes! How the hell can you say he looked at the ref after he was hit? There was no time...he was hit and then he fell... It wasn't THAT delayed, His body was in a strange position to begin with from the slip.

    I've seen alot of KOs.... I've seen fighters brutally put to sleep, and as they were sleeping on the canvas they could be seen throwing punches, slipping punches (moving their head from side to side).. and some fighters, after regaining some of their consciousness (but not nearly all) have been seen attempting to punch the ring doctor, standing up with their hands up ready to fight... basically making instinctual moves because they're still sleepin and they've been eating, sleeping, and shitting boxing for the previous few years. Dirrell's arm and leg movements after the punch seemed to fit perfectly with being brutally KOd by a blindside shot.

    He absolutely had a concussion and was diagnosed as such.

    OK, on this point you are completely correct.
     
  7. I'm gonna point out the clear bias in your post. Egregiously bias statements are bolded and colored yellow:

    Also, none of it is even remotely true. How the hell do you know what the ref knew or didn't know?? At what point in the replay can you actually see Dirrell's eyes? Exactly how do you know Dirrell was "waiting for another punch?" How did Dirrell have time to do anything but fall over? Dirrell scored a hard knockdown of Abraham earlier in the fight.. How can you be so sure Abraham was gonna knock Dirrell out in the last two rounds?? Abraham was getting his ****ing ass kicked.
     
  8. Ecks

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    God damn it's so ****ing obvious... I clearly saw Dirrell look at Abraham and lean all the way back to the ropes, he flinched. It is plain to see he was tired and running for dear life. Watch it some more, that punch could never have done that. Also why was the ref talking to Dirrell like he knew he was awake?
     
  9. Stinky gloves

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    The only case however which would be a slightly similar to Dirrell's is Tszyu knocking down Judah
    .... the fall, the rise, and the fall again but no concussions were then involved.

    The usual concussion/with seizure happens right away, fighter is out instantly, not after a few seconds
    when he is looking surprised at first, thinking whether the shot was hurting him or not, then
    failing down slowly with the most secure manner and finally experience concussion.

    If you could find en example of someone who got hit, looked perfectly fine for a moment
    then felt down and after a while suffered concussion/seizure then please share this example.
     
  10. Ecks

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    There is no example of this ever happening, unless it's fake too.
     
  11. But the "few seconds" you are talking about with regards to the Dirrell KO simply aren't there. He got hit and toppled over. I swear to god you people are seeing some **** that didn't even happen.

    NO YOU watch the replay again. I've watched it over and over....and over.
     
  12. Doc (aka Meke)

    Doc (aka Meke) Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe because it was an ARM punch?! I think the one got him down the round before was way way harder - full body and feet behind it.

    before you jump the gun, no matter how weak it was, it was an illegal blow and must have hurt given Dirrell hadn't expected it.
     
  13. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    I finally got around to watching this last night and as a fan of both fighters, it's a shame it had to go down like this.

    I'm very disappointed in AA, that punch looked intentional, although in the heat of the moment, intentional nonetheless. I wish they showed more concern after the fact instead of calling Dirrell an actor.

    In my eyes there's no way AD faked the injury. He might have played along and embelished in the moment a little bit but who are we to say how one is supposed to react after getting hit like that? The man was clearly hurt and to say otherwise is playing into the common role that's pretty contagious here on ESB. The "I don't know **** but will talk out of my ass just to have something to say" archair qb role.