We have to appreciate prime Deontay Wilder was one of the hardest hitters in boxing history

Holmes was 38 not 39 and he went on to have a respectable career in the 90s and was never stopped again schooling a prime Ray Mercer and gave a prime Holyfield a tough fight.

Spinks and Holmes are considered ATGs Tucker and Thomas would be amongst the top 10 80s Heavyweights of that decade.

I don't know what I'm talking about ? I just gave you a perfect example of a Heavyweight champion consistently stopping world class top 10 ranked Heavyweights.

I don't even know what your argument is to be quite frank ? You're asking examples of other Heavyweight champions stopping "top competition" well I gave you an example of a champion consistently stopping top 10 ranked Heavyweights.

Theres numerous examples of champions fighting and stopping alot more ranked fighters than Wilder.....Lewis, Wladimir, Louis.

 

So you are supporting what I am stating. When fighting good opponent KO ratting goes down. So using KO of bum as a measuring stick to say Wilder is the hardest hitter in history is stupid. Let me repeat again, thread says he is the hardest hitter in history.

 

Again what is your argument ? You're just waffling on.

Wilder hasn't been consistently stopping top competition or top 10 ranked fighters so again I don't understand the point you're making ?

The Tyson example is a perfect example of Tyson consistently stopping top 10 ranked opposition unlike Wilder how hard is that to comprehend ?

Tyson has 4x as many wins over ranked opposition and 3x as many stoppages over top 10 ranked opposition.

Why does this all prove ? Tyson has more proven stoppages against world class opposition I think that's pretty simple to understand and perfectly counters your point.

PS if you say again "I don't know anything about boxing" then I'm putting you on ignore, you're new member here insulting my boxing knowledge I've let it slide twice you do it again then I'm not interacting with you on any other subjects.

 

Every champion in history has fought forgettable opponents. At 175, Spinks fought Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Marvin Johnson and Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and beat all 3. That is pretty impressive.

 

I’ve said it before and il say it again. If David price had the same resume as wilder and took same protected path he would of had similar KO’s and people writing these threads about him instead

 

He can hit. His signature KOs are off a 58 year old grandpa cashing a check for a random rematch and a fat dude who didn't care and may have not been good to begin with. He is top 10 with an asterisk of not really KOing anyone worth bragging about. He fought the second tier of the division and avoided unifying for a reason. Wilder ducked and dodged real fights (5 years camping with the lame WBC HW title) until he had no option but to take the big paydays, and then was promptly exposed knowing he could make the excuse of being past it. The truth is, he got the prime beaten out of him and is only a proven hitter against old shopworn guys or mediocre fighters. And yes, of course it freaking matters who you did it against. I don't rate him for knocking Liahkovich into a seizure when Sergei hadn't beaten anyone since Lamon Brewster in 2006 and that fight took his prime away anyway (they fought in 2013).

Yeah, Wilder is lethal if you aren't a top level prizefighter any more. If your defense has eroded and you take shots square on the chin. If you've been beaten or knocked out before and your punch resistance has slipped. If you plan on losing anyway and cashing out knowing the promoter needs a highlight for their payment. If you want to be his trainer in the future. Sure, then he's the best hitter.

 

LMAO, so you think lining up bums and KO them should make you the hardest punching heavyweight ever.

You believe he is the hardest hitting heavyweight base on the strings of no bodies he KOed. I won't respond further. If that is your logic and reasoning there is no point to talk further.

 

Oh i've read your post don't worry but you haven't actually made any good points or made any good rebuttals. And all you keep saying is "No Heavyweight champion in history has consistently stopped top class opposition"

So let me tell you yet again what is wrong with your comment.

1. Wilder has not stopped numerous world class opposition he's only beaten 2 ranked fighters. Hence your point doesn't really make much sense why you're challenging other posters to give examples of other champions in history stopping numerous world class opposition consistently when Wilder hasn't done that himself.

2. I did actually give you an example in Mike Tyson who has credentials of stopping numerous top 10 ranked opposition consistently. And there's other examples like Lewis, Louis, Wladimir, etc who also have much more proven stoppages over many more notable names and ranked opposition than Wilder.

So all of the above has countered your points and successfully answered your question which you were originally challenging other posters to answer.

I'm out of turn ? no i think you're the one out of turn 3 times now you've said "i don't know anything about boxing" not only is that insulting it's damn right rude. You're the one that instigated getting a rise out of me with that comment when all i did was challenge your point in a respectful manner.

Yes i did bring up about putting you on ignore because you're new member here and already my first impressions of you is that you're a borderline troll. I respectfully told you i don't appreciate your comment and that if you keep repeatedly doing it then i have no further interest in interacting with you. And now you've said it 3 times in a row so after i make this post i am indeed going to put you on ignore.

I'm not here to have a conversation ? it seems like to me i gave you a perfectly reasonable counter point to your original question and you replied with "You don't know anything about boxing". So to me it seems like you're the one that don't want to have a conversation, and you don't like your points being challenged hence the comment "you don't know anything about boxing".

Who said i'm an authority figure ? you seem to have come up with that idea yourself. I've never once claimed that all i said is if you're going to keep repeatedly saying "you don't know anything about boxing" whenever your points are challenged then i'm not interested in interacting with you further.

Wilder has beaten two top 10 ranked opponents Ortiz, Stirverne, that's it.

Once again you keep repeating this and i've already answered this numerous times see above.

And once again there it is and as i said previously that's the 3rd time you've said it now hence i have no further interest in discussing boxing with you so now you're blocked have a good day.

 

I’m a huge Tyson fan.
These 8 ranked fighters he beat, which ranking system were they ranked on?

spinks and Holmes were good wins, the critics say spinks came up 2 divisions and lost to Tyson in his last fight, they say Holmes was pretty much past his best and was on a losing streak when facing Tyson. How do you respond to this?

ps. I’ve noticed you have claimed that Tyson consistently knocked out top10 fighters, but you’ve only named 4 of his 50+ opponents.

it was a shame that Tyson’s original reign was only 2years. Still think…”what if he continued as that”. I think a lot have nostalgia over those 2 years.

also, considering the context and content of this Thread, it’s interesting That Tyson has been brought up.
Wilder is often criticised (even in this thread) for having lots of fights early in his career against low competition in a short period of time. Mike Tyson was also managed like this and praised for it, although he was moved quicker. It took wilder about 5 years to get a world title.

I definitely think it’s a fan friendly route compared to taking 5 years and less fights (like Tyson fury for example.)

 

The Ring Ratings.

I respond to this by saying Holmes went on to have a respectable career in the 90s after the Tyson loss, and Tyson stopping Spinks would've been the equivalent of Fury stopping Usyk. Now why do i say this ? Usyk and Spinks both moved up in weight both had 4 fights at Heavyweights both had 2 good wins in Joshua x2, Holmes x2, although obviously i rate Holmes higher than Joshua.

Don't get me wrong Usyk is a better Heavyweight than Spinks but you get my point.

Also just to add Holmes and Spinks combined had over 100 fights and 30+ championship fights and Tyson is the only man to stop both fighters so when you take that into account it is impressive.

The original question was what other Heavyweight champion in history has frequently stopped world class opposition apart from Wilder ? Now why this question baffled me is because obviously Wilder hasn't frequently stopped world class opposition, his opposition for the most part has been forgettable so why did the poster ask the question ?

Secondly i used the Tyson comparison in regards to his 1st reign to demonstrate Tyson stopping more ranked fighters and more notable names than Wilder to answer the original question.

But there's countless other examples of Heavyweight champions like Louis, Lewis, Wladimir, take your pick they all have many more notable stoppages than Wilder and stopped many world class opponents.

His reign was 4 years and he basically cleaned out the division during that time, to put Tyson's reign into context he has double and triple the amount of wins over ranked top 10 opposition than any other notable Heavyweight champion of this current era.

 

Tyson consistently kayoed top 10 ranked opponents while Wilder did not

 

I agree that is impressive, but playing devils advocate here (I am a huge Tyson fan btw, I even grew up knowing his neck, bicep, forearm sizes etc lol)

Would you not agree that Holmes career after spinks/tyson was pretty mediocre? Judging him solely on his record after spinks/Tyson, he fought mainly average guys and didn’t win a title. If it wasn’t for his previous career this record is like a whyte or Chisora. It’s not what made him a legend, that Larry Holmes was long gone.

Again, playing devils advocate, spinks was a hugely talented and legend at lhw, not a legendary at heavy. Some say he beat a past it Holmes, and the only “puncher” at heavy he defended his title against was Tyson. And Tyson rightly showed him what a heavyweight puncher is.
Do you believe spinks beat a prime Holmes at heavy?
Do you believe spink would beat a prime Holmes?
Do you think spinks beating an undefeated Holmes was a better accomplishment or Tyson beating Holmes coming off 2losses?

sorry but I cannot see this double and tripling. You do mean x2 and x3?

if Tyson has beat 8 top 10 fighters as you claim, that would mean none of the recent guys have beat more than 2 - 4 top 10 ranked opponents according to ring rankings.

If you claim none of the current era champs (usyk,fury,AJ,wilder) have achieved this, then why do you only pick on wilder?

I’ve not checked for Tyson as you claim he has 8 wins/defences on the ring top 10 rankings.

Wilder and AJ both have at least 5, so how did you get 3x? Did you mean just 1.3x?

the only heavy I’ve seen consistently ko’ing top 10 guys was Louis. And that was a long time ago which shows how rare it is.

 

8 of 56 fights isn’t consistently ko’ing top 10’s

 

It's a massive improvement over Wilder only stopping 1 top 10 heavy in Ortiz

It's like taking away Tysons kayoes of Berbick, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks, Williams, Bruno and Ruddock and leaving him with only a stoppage of Pinklon Thomas

 

Holmes schooled a prime Mercer and won between 4 or 5 rounds vs a prime Holyfield, add to the fact Holmes never come close to being stopped again I think Tyson's stoppage over Holmes is a good one.

Yes Spinks beat a past it Holmes but again it's still an impressive feat considering Holmes was 48-0 and a long reigning champion.

Do I think Spinks beats a prime Holmes ? No. Do I think Spinks always poses a challenging stylistic match up for Holmes though ? Yes.

Spinks beating Holmes is the better achievement because he moved up in weight and beat a long reigning champion, but Tyson's stoppage over Holmes in the manner in which he did it is still good. Considering as I said Holmes was never stopped again and had notable performances in the 90s after the Tyson loss.

Yes you would be right in thinking that alot of the top Heavyweights now haven't got stand out resumes. But Wilder clearly has a worse resume than the likes of Parker, Joshua, Fury, Usyk, who are the notable Heavyweights right now.

I'm not picking on Wilder I was just responding to a post where someone asked "Which other Heavyweight champion has frequently stopped world class opponents like Wilder"

As I said it's a bit of baffling question when Wilder hasn't done that himself, plus when I did give the Tyson example the poster in question kept constantly saying "I don't know anything about boxing". So if someone doesn't like their views being challenged and has to resort to insulting my boxing knowledge because I don't share their views then I'm not interested in interacting with them.

You for example have challenged my views in a respectful way and I've responded to you in a respectful way and that's how a debate should be whether we have different views or not.

Wilder has beaten 2 opponents ranked in the top 10 "Ring Ratings" Stirvene, Ortiz.

Joshua has 4 Parker, Ruiz, Wladimir, Povetkin

Fury has 3 Whyte, Wilder, Wladimir.

Usyk has two Fury, Joshua, but those 2 wins are very notable as Fury and Joshua are considered the 2nd and 3rd best Heavyweights of this era atm although that could change.