We have to appreciate prime Deontay Wilder was one of the hardest hitters in boxing history

Why do you blatantly lie in your statements? It’s really immature and pointless, it devalues a whole conversation and impression of the fan base of boxing or the membership of this forum.

wilder beat at least 5 top 10 ring ranked fighters, opposed to Tyson’s 8. This is a fact on ring magazine site and wiki page. 10 top 15 wbc ranked fighters. There is no need to lie as this just means you choose your hatred for wilder over integrity to your own self. Why on earth would you prioritise your emotion over a random famous guy than yourself?

 

I do think stopping Holmes was impressive and ticked a box so to speak with him beating spinks too. However, growing up a Tyson stan i could only claim these 2 wins as his big wins, and honestly speaking, they aren’t the greatest. He was the only person to ever ko Holmes which is respectful, but this was not the Easton assassin,it was Larry who just got beat by a lhw twice and was never to be back to what he was. He extended his career as he was so massively skilled, but couldn’t cut it against the top guys. ray mercer was a decent win, but ray mercer was no ray robinson in the legend books.

as i say, growing up a tyson stan, in our house it was blasphemy to acknowledge Holyfield and buster beat him without giving an excuse, but later in life I can’t deny, Holmes win was a good finish of a past it fighter.

That statement is baffling from that user, I just checked back and he never said that so maybe you crossed your wires.
“Name a heavyweight great that consistently knocked out top competition during his time.”
the only guy who I can qualify in this would be Louis, but I just checked and he ko’d a lot of bums too.

I agree with you on the “you don’t know about boxing” is annoying, especially when it’s a different opinion. Although I must admit there are people who it can be applied to as there are some passionate vocal Beginners you come across. I wouldn’t put you in that category as you have displayed knowledge beyond a basic/casual.

I think in boxing it’s one of the great things, we have different opinions and perspectives and they can change as the years go by.
Even in a fight, Timing of that fight has a big effect, for eg. Tyson would lose to McBride if they fought in the 80’s or early 90’s. Etc etc.

Nobody is right really as it’s all just opinions

 

Yeah that's fair I don't think we're a million miles away in regards to our views.

Personally I think the issue with this era is that alot of top Heavyweights wern't fighting eachother that's why you see a lack of filler in alot of the notable Heavyweights resume now.

But with Usyk fighting Fury and it looks like we could get other big Heavyweight fights soon it seems like finally we can see how good the top 5 Heavyweights really are.

As for Wilder I'm not as hard on him as others I do think he deserves respect for knocking out Heavyweights considerably heavier than him even if they wern't the best opposition.

I'd still rank Wilder in the top 10 in regards to pure punching power at Heavyweight, but i do not rate him that highly in a H2H sense because I think his overall skillset is too limited to beat the upper echelon greats of the past.

 

100% agree to this. I think this has been happening since the don king era though. I think he was the last promoter getting the best to fight the best (he was offering the most money)
We grew up hating him because of the stories of him ripping Mike off, but as a fan his days of promoting boxing were truly great days that we miss.

Luckily I think Turki is now making sure the best fight the best as he is now offering the most money. Unfortunately, the main 4 of the hw for the past 10years are on their out of the sport.

 

Just to chime in on this. I can maybe answer that, but I'm taking an average across things like Ring and TBRB, etc. as it gives a better idea of who was actually top 10 and hopefully eliminates some of the promotional bias.

Title wins and defences against top 10 opponents at time of KO/TKO:
Wilder has 2; V. Klitschko has 2; Fury has 3; Foreman has 3; Joshua has 5; Lewis has 5; Tyson has 6; W. Klitschko has 6

This is just from records of guys who held a significant title from the 90s onwards. Expand that to top 10 wins in general among his contemporaries that ended in KO/TKO:
Wilder has 2; Zhang has 3; Fury has 3; Joshua has 6

 

Hes got 4 with the Fury draw which he scored 2 knockdowns to none in. Fury, Luis Ortzx2, Breazeale. I only count 3 because his title got legitimacy in my eyes from the first Fury fight but thats a different conversation. Stiverene was the guy he beat to get the belt and he was a mandatory for the rematch. So no choice there and he was the 1st to go the distance with Wilder so it kinda makes sense given Wilders record and all that.

Top 10 is arbitrary lets look at guys who fought for titles other than Wilders and the WBCs(which has been making terrible HW decisions the past 20 years) which is a better indicator. Wilder beat Breazeale and Molina who AJ also fought for his alphabelt title. Molina was a bad title defense in both cases. Wilder beat Ortiz twice who was an undefeated former WBA interim champion. So that brings us to 6 explainable title defenses 5 against fighters who were given title shots by an organization not called the WBC. Gerald Washington was an undefeated prospect and there is a long history of HW champs giving title shots to fighters like that even though he didn't deserve it.

Also AJs got 6 by this standard but I suspect you were counting Takam instead of Breazeale. AJs belt really got legitimacy by beating Wlad so he'd have 4 but like I said with Wilder thats a different conversation. AJ does have the big Commonwealth win over Whyte though.

No will one will dispute that of the HW champs with 10 official defenses on the record(Louis,Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Wlad, Tyson) Wilder had the weakest reign by far. He should be compared to Fury and AJ who were his actual peers. And Wilder has the worst resume of that trio too but not by far. Fury beat Wilder 2 out of 3 thus hes better than Wilder but other than that you could absolutley argue Wilders wins have been better with Fury making lineal defenses against Seferi, Tom Scwartz, Chisora and Francis.

 

Wilder's power is up there with the best, but he could only land one-hit quitters, he couldn't throw combos.

He scored some brutal one shot KO's and his power was undeniable.

 

This, all day.

 

You can't make a reasonable case for more than 2 being top 10 heavyweights. Stiverne and Ortiz are the only ones with a reasonable case for being top 10. If you disagree, by all means try to make a case.

 

WBC Rankings
Ring Rankings

 

Trumped by common sense rankings. There is nobody Wilder beat aside from Stiverne and Ortiz for whom you can make a reasonable argument for being top 10. The ring yearly rankings also don't back up anyone other than Ortiz and Stiverne being ranked.

In 2016 the following would be ahead of anyone Wilder beat
Joshua
Wilder
Parker
Whyte
Ortiz
Povetkin
Pulev
Chisora
Jennings
Ruiz
Probably Kabayel and Rivas as well with hindsight

In 2017 pretty much same as prior year

In 2019 the following would keep Breazeale out of the top 10
Fury
Hunter
Wilder
Povetkin
Rivas
Whyte
Joshua
Ruiz
Parker
Kabayel
Plus probably Joyce and Chisora

I'm happy to do a year by year analysis

 

I’m not that bothered or invested pal, ring rankings and wbc rankings (the most important as that’s what any wbc champ is working from) matter more than your “common (on a forum)” sense.

good luck!

 

There cannot be any questions regarding his power except he does not have many quality wins on his resume which is a big minus.