We have to appreciate prime Deontay Wilder was one of the hardest hitters in boxing history

Less. Arreola done more in boxing than Joyce and even Zhang so far. But Zhang hasn’t finished yet.

Arreola went in with some good guys and challenged for world titles on a few occasions hasn’t he?
He even gave Ruiz a close fight many years after wilder beat him.

 

Who Joyce beat?

 

Parker who beat Wilder 12 rounds to 0 did you really need that pointing out are you that much of a Wolder fan boy your brain deleted that memory

 

He might of been as big as Jorge (6'7) but he couldn't punch like the Cuban. They had similar chins though!

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Oh triangle theories in boxing…they make sense! (sarcasm).

I forgot for a second because it’s irrelevant and it’s not my career to remember records pal, I’ve got a life.
Joyce wishes he had a career like Deontay, which is the point. He is likely never to be a world champ never mind defend it and reign for 5years etc.

areola who was good enough for klitschko to defend against

Molina n brezeale, who were good enough for Joshua to defend against.

Defended against fury who just fought for undisputed.

Ortiz who was ranked in top 3-5 at the the time in ring magazine and most orgs.

Stiverne who beat Arreola (above) to win klitschko belt after he retired. Stiverne was the favourite vs wilder in this fight, or did you want wilder to not face him?

Johan, Washington and spilka are Chisora/whyte level which are good enough for fury to defend against.

you move goal posts for wilder is all, as your hate is too strong.

ps. I had to refer to box rec as again, I have more important things in my life to remember other than boxing records. It’s not due to love or hate for anyone. Just being human.

 

False, world champ is a label created by an organisation to give the appearance that fighter is the best in the world and charge them a fee for doing so. Doesn't mean they are or that even that organisation believes they are or do you think the WBA actually thinks Manuel Charr the regular champion is the best in the world?

True Shavers was never considered the best in the world and neither was Wilder or Stiverne even when they were champions.

World champion as a label meant more in Shavers era when there were far fewer titles, now being a world champion has become far more diluted in its significance.

 

Soon. The mods are extra bloodthirsty lately.

 

You must be joking right

triangle theories you asked who he beat I told you

Fought Chris Arreola 6 years after WK and he had no right to be in a title fight at that point
Molina and brezeale AJ 17th and 18th fights to keep busy before he fought WK Wilder fought them in his 34th and 42nd fight big difference
Only fought Fucy because his team thought they was getting him at the right time and just fought for undisputed are you sure you don't mean had a 3 year binge of drink drugs fast food and depression then 2 come back fights against nobody's and looking pretty bad in them your talking like he was fresh off the WK win.
Ortiz who never beat anyone to get a ranking and lost to fat andy who people love to shame AJ for loosing to.
The same Ortize who is made out to some atg as he is the only half decent guy Wilder has beat sure you can have that one by the way Wilder needed the refs help to beat him the first time

Stiverne who beat Arreola do I even need to go there come on you are just proving my point this is the same Stiverne who lost to Demetrice King by TKO then fought absolute bums until he got the Arreola fight by the way Demetrice Kinghas lost more fight than he won

And as for the other guys if you think they are on the same level as white and Del boy you need to find another sport

Fact is Wilder was never good he was a manufactured champ and it really is not nord to see I have just proven how thin his record is with facts I get you are a Wilder fan nothing wrong with that but that don't make him better than he is

PS don't hate any boxer either even if they say dumb s*#t like they want a body on there record I dislike him for that and the way he acts but not hate.

 

Actually Szpilka said after the fight that Wilder didn't hit that hard...

 

You do understand there are different processes with moving a fighter into world championship contention?
Joyce turned pro late so they had to rush him along.

Wilder had time on his hands so fought regular and often. It took wilder the same amount of time as fury to become champ since turning pro, but was just busier as they probably wanted more rounds

 

Best can crusher I ever saw.

 

World champ is a title/label given to who an organisation consider as the world champion. That’s what they do. Like in all walks of life. Labels are created for a purpose. An iPhone is called that because someone labelled it that.

I dunno why I got involved with this silly conversation with presumably some kids who get triggered at a different opinion just highlighting their double standards.

Joshua was moved on very quickly, good for him. It took him 3 years to get a title (from Martin-do you have issue with this) which is unbelievable. Excellent work.
It took fury and wilder 7 years. But both defended against some common level opposition.

Thanks for your advice on finding another sport, but I didn’t ask for it. It’s not your sport. People like Lennox, holyfield, etc have respect for wilder but obviously you know more than them and think they should find another sport too?

What big things have Chisora/whyte achieved that Washington,Johan and spills have not? Other than gain followers and clickbait on social media?

 

Which isn't surprising considering Szpilka was far more elusive than almost all of Wilder's cans.

So loading up to throw 100% probably wouldn't have connected...
So take some sting out to make sure it landed - which is fine when you consider Szpilkas chin is terrible and it doesn't take full power from a decent puncher to put him down.

It doesn't mean Wilder couldn't hit hard (he clearly could) but it's just another example of how the level of his opponents made him look like a much bigger puncher than he was.

 

Ah, your a guy who likes the stories behind the records when it works against wilder…although we can do this with every fighter in history.

Fought Chris Arreola 6 years after WK and he had no right to be in a title fight at that point
- not according to wbc and not according to Ruiz, who (straight after his AJ fights) struggled with arreola even 5 years after wilder beat him. Don’t be mad at wilder or anyone for Arreola being a ranked fighter in the wbc. He is nothing special but he’s challenged for world titles more than whyte and been in with more ex world champs.



Molina and brezeale AJ 17th and 18th fights to keep busy before he fought WK Wilder fought them in his 34th and 42nd fight big difference.
- it really is not. You’re picking your facts to suit your agenda as it doesn’t matter how many fights they’ve had they were brought on differently, and both defended against molina and brezeale around the same time.
You empathise with AJ taking keep busy fights to fight a guy about to retire (I have no issue with AJ doing this) but what if wilder was doing the same but you werent privy to it as he doesn’t have a loud mouth promoter telling everyone?

Wilder fought moline as his first defence, and everybody knows brezeale and Ortiz 2 were because fury asked for more time before their rematch.


Only fought Fucy because his team thought they was getting him at the right time and just fought for undisputed are you sure you don't mean had a 3 year binge of drink drugs fast food and depression then 2 come back fights against nobody's and looking pretty bad in them your talking like he was fresh off the WK win.
-no im saying just a few weeks ago he fought for undisputed in 2024.
you discount everything wilder does for daft reasons. Wilder was chasing the fury fight for since around 2012, Fury finally got in his face and was claiming to be the one true king, so they fought. Fury asked for more prep time and wilder allowed him a non obligated rematch to come back at his best, n fury won but ran from the contracted rematch.


Ortiz who never beat anyone to get a ranking and lost to fat andy who people love to shame AJ for loosing to.
The same Ortize who is made out to some atg as he is the only half decent guy Wilder has beat sure you can have that one by the way Wilder needed the refs help to beat him the first time.
- Ortiz has been in rings top 10 for about 8years, most the time in top5. Wilder beat him twice during this period.
Ruiz is good, he did well to beat AJ and AJ did well to come back. But if it was wilder, according to you Ruiz the fatty beat him and only lost the second fight coz he got outta shape.

Stiverne who beat Arreola do I even need to go there come on you are just proving my point this is the same Stiverne who lost to Demetrice King by TKO then fought absolute bums until he got the Arreola fight by the way Demetrice Kinghas lost more fight than he won.
- stiverne was a top 10 fighter according to ring for 2013,14,15,16. That’s wayyyy more than whyte.


Maybe you should start your own organisation as clearly the boxing bodies such as wbc, wba, wbo, ibf, ring etc are all useless to you and you know better than them.

A serious question, are you a conspiracy theorist?

second serious question, if you are a conspiracy guy, do you believe the powers that be are sooo desperate for wilder to be champ?

If anything it would be the opposite as no matter what he does, he is hated and disrespected by the media (unlike some other sports ppl) and you follow what the neo media say.
Whyte was crap, unless you watch YouTube interviews etc. same with robot Joyce, Chisora etc.