We need a serious discussion on Tyson Fury's health, chances against Usyk.

I do wonder how much hidden chronic damage Fury has caused himself from his publicised self destructive behaviours.

Yes he got concussed against Wilder but frankly he has not taken the accumulative punch numbers that many of his boxing peers have.

As we know no one can predict how much long term neuro damage a boxer will suffer, taking for example Jake LaMotta who definitely was not a defensive fighter, he fought 869 rounds in a 13yr career and he appeared to suffer limited neuro damage even at age of 95 when he died, wheras Fury has fought 210 rounds in a 14 yr career.

Hope Fury did indeed get the necessary CAT/MRI scans and neuro checks following the Wilder fight, getting hit in the head especially by the likes of Wilder is not best way of protecting brain cells.

 

Yeah, seems so.

Fury's saved up for some attrition, as I see it. He had a few donnybrooks early in his career, had a middle period where nary a glove was laid on him, and has gotten back in the trenches more in this latter phase.

A couple of concussions from which he's emerged in robust form won't determine the outcome of a bout with Usyk. Carl Froch couldn't remember most of his first bout with George Groves, but still boxed a fine fight and laid his doubter out in their rematch.

Either of these guys being on PEDs or not is moot, so far as I'm concerned. My thoughts on the ubiquity of PEDs in boxing, and the hypocritical facade of 'clean sport' the various bodies are upholding, have been expressed in other threads.


I will say here that UKAD have zero integrity. They accepted the Fury camp's explanations, apparently deeming them consistent with the levels discovered, and only went public with his positive test at a time — a whopping eighteen months down the line, during which period Fury had fought for the championship of the world — when he was the subject of an immense media witch-hunt arising from comments of a, uh, let's say, politically challenging nature, and without ever giving he or his handlers any reason to believe the issue was ongoing.

 

Fury didn't have three tough fights with Wilder. He barely got hit in fight 2.

Usyk had two 12 round fights with a big puncher in AJ in which he took plenty of clean shots.

Fury obviously took more damage against Wilder than Usyk did against AJ, but Usyk definitely didn't come out unscathed.

Fury not taking any damage against Whyte also helps.

 

Patterson was down seven times in the first fight against Johansson and then came back to wind and defend the title for atleast three fights.

Sure, even though Wilder might be a harder puncher than Ingo, Patterson is/was half the size of Fury. Point is, you can't judge how much damage someones taken from the numbers of knock outs in a fight and he had no problems taking care of Whyte.

 

And don't forget that he came into Wilder three with elbow injuries. What is more, you cannot balloon up to 400 pounds and lose the weight without it taking a permeant toll. It is **** for your muscles and heart, and cocaine is not great for the heart, either.

He coulda hv ea couple of fights left, but I think there is a reason he is talking retirement.

 

Definitely not zero problems, but fine enough to compete at a high level. I think his weight and discipline are a serious concern though

 

boxing is a hurt game. so many examples of boxers having trouble with cognitive issues as they age. Like Fury but wouldn't blame him if he really retired and enjoyed the rest of his life. he has climbed to the heights of the heavy weight boxing world and made more money than he should be able to spend before the sun goes into nova. like to see him sail into the sunset and enjoy his life.

 

Every hw gets knocked over unless you are Vitali. It's all part of the game.

 

Fury took a lot of damage from Wilder by boxing standards. KD'd four times in two fights, hit hard a lot more than that.
So we're not sure if he has the same punch resistance any more. It remains to be seen. Lucky for him he's been very inactive and didn't take much from Whyte so his brain has some time to recover. But it's not quite so simple sometimes.

Say what you want about idiot Sugar Hill's training, but Fury got hit less in the first fight and still hurt Wilder to the point where if he was 100% he could have followed up a little and got some KD's probably.

Fury still got hit in the second fight early on and big time in the third. He only stopped Wilder properly after 18 rounds or so. Was it worth it? In hindsight I'm not sure Fury would even think it was. He probably only needed to up his offensive output somewhat from the first fight and he could have got the wins with a lot less damage.

 

Fury definitely took less punishment in fight 2 than fight 1 and his preparation for fight 3 was far from optimal, he wasn't in great shape. He reasoned that getting on his backfoot was very risky against Wilder, who has 36 minutes to land his bomb. Next thing you know you've either been KO'd or lost a decision due to KD's and A-side/hometown bias. There isn't a safe way to fight Wilder but in getting to Wilder first he took it out of the hands of the judges and won conclusively.