We should be more suspicious of Floyd Jr. than Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MANNY PACQUIAO AND THE TRUTH ABOUT STEROIDS
    By Timmy “The Truth”, NowBoxing.com, May 23, 2010, Sunday
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    I believe Paulie Malignaggi once said he would bet everything he owned that Manny Pacquiao was on something. Now I love Paulie and everything he has accomplished in the sport but I would take that bet in a heartbeat. Why am I so sure Manny has always been clean? People that think Manny has used performance enhancing drugs don’t understand Asian culture. They are a lot less likely to put anything harmful in their bodies than Americans. It is also considered dishonorable to your country to win by cheating. Many Americans don’t understand this because they have a win at all cost mentality.

    Lets look at how many American athletes have been proven to have PED’s in their systems at one point in their careers. Sugar Shane Mosley, Barry Bonds, James Toney, Ben Johnson, Mark McGwire, Roy Jones Jr., Marion Jones, Alex Rodriguez etc. Now name me an Asian born athlete that has been caught using Roids. The only guy I can think of is that kick boxer in the movie “Ong Bak” that injected himself with something before fighting Tony Jaa. It’s also no coincidence that African-Americans top the list of known steroid users. Again it’s not about race but I believe the pressure on blacks in America to succeed in sports would push them to get an edge.

    You can also argue they make up the majority of athletes in professional sports in America so of course their names will come up more often. But what about the Olympics where USADA tests every country. Asia has to send their own to compete and I can’t really think of any Asian athletes that were tested positive. I know China had the age scandal but that has nothing to do with injecting something in your body to improve performance. However, I do know Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson and US gold medalist Marion Jones were stripped of their medals for steroid use. Even during the steroid scandal in baseball not ONE Asian player came out on any list even though there are a substantial amount of Asian baseball players.

    So based on historical facts shouldn’t we be more suspicious of Floyd Mayweather Jr. than Manny Pacquiao? After all Floyd competed in the Olympics for the American boxing team. I read recently Mayweather Sr. made some statements saying his son would never fight Manny Pacquiao because Manny would have had time to clean his system out since their last negotiations. But then what was the point of fighting and testing Mosley? It’s been over a year since his last fight that’s more than enough time to clean himself out. Floyd has almost every advantage including reach and height so I don’t understand why they are making such a fuss over this drug testing. And also how do we know that Floyd didn’t use anything prior since this is his first time testing under USADA rules in the pro ranks?

    If I had to bet everything I own on why Manny Pacquiao is agreeing to the tests now instead of earlier this year, it is because of his recent elections. I think his team knew a loss to Floyd Mayweather would hurt his chances at being elected to a congressional seat. I knew once that was out-of-the-way Manny would do everything he can to make this fight happen. Now the ball is in Mayweather’s court and my guess is that it will come down to a money issue.

    As an American, I know that as great of a country we live in, we can also sometimes be the biggest hypocrites. We love to point out problems of others while ignoring our own problems. Before we accuse others we should look at our own athletes and wonder why fighters from other countries haven’t demanded our own boxers to undergo advanced testing.
     
  2. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good this is intended for *****s and floydiots.
     
  4. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If anyone is going to cheat, it will more likely be floyd than pac.

    Pretty common on purely money motivated person.
     
  5. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  6. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Angelo R. (Reseda, CA): Manny Pacquiao has recently agreed to the 14-day window by Mayweather, but only if the sample is a certain amount of blood each time. The amount he is OK with is apparently very small amount, which may make accurate testing impossible. What do you think about this?

    Vivek W. (ESB): If Pacquiao has an amount in mind that he deems to be 'sufficient', yet it isn't enough to conduct the proper testing, there will be no fight. It's that simple. What isn't that simple is my ability to understand why there continues to be so many trigger points in this negotiation. Seems that literally every single ounce of progress is met with resistance, and when you solve one issue another pops up. Although neither party is exempt, I see far more room to question one side over the other. During the first negotiations between the two camps with the mediator, Team Mayweather came up with the 14-day proposition there at the end. Arum said it wouldn't work for Pacquiao, then said it hadn't been offered in time, but it took roughly two weeks to sign the Joshua Clottey deal beyond that point, yet no moves to amend were ever made. Now Arum/Team Pacquiao have decided to accept the same offer that it said wouldn't work before, and there's no understanding for why it's good now but wasn't before.

    I keep a lot of notes and emails, and in reviewing a few, I found an odd trend that somehow reversed itself, which displays exactly why I have questions. Pacquiao supporters now say on record that "the fight isn't happening because Mayweather is afraid to face Pacquiao". But, reviewing emails from the time frame when Mayweather was set to return to the sport, the common thread was that Mayweather was "only coming back for the money to face two smaller men, (Marquez and then Pacquiao), rather than facing someone bigger or at least his size". Ironically, Floyd has taken that exact challenge against the bigger man that most said he wouldn't face at that time, (Mosley), and here we are still struggling to put together a fight with him and the man he was supposedly "too big for", and now, supposedly "too afraid to face". None of it adds up and it's very troubling. Pacquiao said before that giving blood too close to a fight would make him weak, then he said "only if the commission tells him to", now he's saying saying he would do it without the commission if it's a "small amount".....one that he will personally have to decide.

    This is why my original take on the whole blood thing was filled with questions. If you can't do something, doesn't matter who tells you to do it, YOU CAN'T DO IT! If I ask you to walk across a busy intersection and you say "no, only if my boss tells me because I have more affinity to him"......What difference does it matter if I tell you or your boss tells you, considering that either way it will result in you being struck by a car? Doesn't matter who gives the instructions.....if having to give blood at 14days will make you too weak to compete effectively, that's the end result, regardless of who originates it. So, that's where my issues come in at. I love and respect both men, but the delays seem to be exclusively from one angle. We know Pacquiao fears no man, but unlike those who blame one side, I will blame both for this if it doesn't go down. (Which it seems it won't)!

    IF ANYONE IS SUSPICIOUS..ITS YOUR BOY PAC!:deal
     
  7. pablogad

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    Have some respect bigot! What is "everyone already suspicious of" mean? If your going to make a statement substantiate your viewpoint subjectively, objectively or otherwise but leave race out of the discussion.
     
  8. ciscobox

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    good points :good
     
  9. The Evil 1-2

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    How laughable! The man states that it's not about race, but points to pac's asian background as grounds for him being clean. The idiocy that people put out there is unbelievable at times...
     
  10. cris3000

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    lol you people make me laugh. Pac is as much money greedy as Floyd. Infact hes more greedy than Floyd ask Hatton. Floyd let Hatton take all the UK ppv money but Pac/Hatton wasn't gonna happen unless Pac got the bigger purse and he also got 50/50 of the UK ppv.
     
  11. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So because there are more black drug users than asian drug users we should be more suspicious of floyd mayweather
     
  12. TheJuggernaut

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    We already know roid mayweather is injectinvg that big daddy cain in his hands so he is a ****ing cheat.
     
  13. ciscobox

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    my ass.. :patsch
     
  14. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HAHA

    See how the *****s dont like their idol being accused of a cheat when it was perfectly fine for them to accuse pac. :lol:
     
  15. BigReg

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    The writter of this article makes some good points. What Team Pacquiao should do is ask Mayweather to submit to random blood and urine testing. If Mayweather is clean, he'll comply with no problem. If he's dirty, he'll make up some excuse as to why he can't comply.