Weaknesses of the Philly Shell Defense that Floyd and Broner use?

didnt say he was but hes good on the inside....he rolls punches and counter back hard....its hard to hit him from the inside

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fco0PmJX8bw

 

Wat he is saying refers to an old trick seemingly long forgotten since his time. A key example would be Muhammad Ali against Ken Norten. Norten was by no means nothing special, but he had Ali's kryptonite and it was against something Ali did similar to Mayweather. Email to me on this forum when u or anyone else figures it out. Im not in the habit of giving away a freebee like that. Also, the philly shell is effective at mid to short distance, but to break through it and find the head doesn't require a tremendous amount of power. Guys spend to much time trying to run him over with huge shots only to have them blocked, rolled or missed completely. Setting up the big shots on him relies on a sound boxer who will have several plans of attack in order to find the cracks in a philly shell. Without giving too much away, what is needed is speed, a gd jab to set up the shots, combination punching and being a gd puncher( great is even better) in that order. How exactly it all works will take some coaxing out of me to give it up.

 

You did, check your last post. Of course he will be good on the inside, he's a complete fighter but that's not his strongest asset. I'm saying a fighter who learns Cus D'Amato's inside fighting style, meaning a fighter who specializes in inside fighting would have a better chance at beating Mayweather.

 

Why are you acting like you have Mayweather's style completely figured out and you have this secret important knowledge that your reluctant to share??

 

You really need to watch more Mayweather fights. Mayweather is a masterful inside fighter. It only got ugly when guys had solid jabs.

Cus' system was more about the natural gifts of Tyson than Cus' system. Name a guy deploying the peek-a-boo successfully not Mike Tyson? I have seen guys trained in it. They look blah. Tyson's physical characteristics made that style effective. Not many men are blessed with the speed, power, and center of gravity of Tyson.

Tyson and RJJ are two fighters that discussing their "style" and how that relates to their careers is almost meaningless.

 

Jab and southpaws with a straight left down the pipe

 

Cus system was very technical and if you watch Cus D'amato fighters they all move and fight in a similar manner. Floyd patterson was another fighter great with the cus damato system. Kevin rooney had amazing head movement against alexis arguello and was making him miss alot. I'd say he lost because he wasn't in great shape and wasn't practicing enough. He also probably drained himself.

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I am not saying the system wasn't technical. I am saying it is very unique and using Mike Tyson to illustrate its effectiveness is kind of not effective due to the raw physical talent Tyson brought to the table. Joe Frazier may have employed it well. Average guys? Not so much. I have seen even young fighters use it and they look... Like this guy.

What fight are you watching? Rooney was getting popped in his noggin' from the opening bell. Two weight classes up he would have been getting rocked by those shots. He lost because anyone with average physical characteristics (not squat with a massively powerful core and deceptively explosively fast) is going to have a hard time quickly slipping and loading the type of power needed to fight this way.

I am not knocking Cus, but using certain fighters to illustrate styles just doesn't work. You wanna talk styles? Talk about guys like Hopkins, Marquez, Winky Wright, etc... guys who turn water into whine. Styles that hold up as the physical gifts fade.

 

Main thing is that it slows your jab down.

 

Lol! Gotcha! I'll tell cause im 100% percent certain im not the only oneVwho knows this.
The Norton, Ali thing ur gonna figure out cause i wanna know if anyone else sees it. Im sure someone may get it without seeing it on youtube. Howeverhave u ever noticed most guys try to tear his head off in his fights. Bad strategy and most people here now that. I stated first speed is needed. Not just hand speed, but foot speed to shuffle in and out as well as darting in and out, and upper body movement to set up shots and get away from them. Second the jab. A quick, jab not necessarily hard, will be needed to get inside his range. Mayweather likes keeping guys at the end of his punches in the middle of the ring, and he uses the philly shell almost always against the ropes to counter with short shots when guys get too anxious and over commit. The jab will be there to keep him busy and thrown in 2's and 3's. But in order for it to work, it must be thrown to the head and the body with very little on it unless an opening is present. Wasting power in a jab against a tough target is a bit redudant if u ask me. At this point distance must be measured as well. Now with combinations, something Mayweather is gd at upsetting, speed is more important as with the strategy with the jab. Fastballs set up hardballs. Like I stated earlier, guys get crazy trying to knock him out. But the jab must start it cause at least with a jab, u will have a better chance of making the combinations work. A jab to the body sets up great work to the head and vice versa. When Mosley hurt Mayweather that was a great example of this. A combination Mayweather didnt expect or see simply because it was executed with speed, a quick jab, and combinations from a guy who was setting up the big shot with the quick ones. Ironically for wat ever reason, Mosley didn't have steam after round 2. That has to be executed for 12 rounds and several strategies must be based off it in order to keep Mayweather from adapting. My fingers hurt

 

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He says feints for everything so i'll go with feints...:conf

Maybe a left uppercut instead of going for the hook OR

RIGHT LEADS, i think it will be right hand leads

 

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That sounds like a good strategy, and your right about the Mosley first hitting a non-commital jab to the body then throwing the power shot which buckled Mayweather. However, it's always harder to do then talk. Are you a trainer?