Weaknesses of the Philly Shell Defense that Floyd and Broner use?

Where is this "cracking" coming from. I have already answer the question in this thread.

Hey if you want to jab and use the style in the wrong way you can. I could careless. You can fire a jab from your waist and i'll fire one by my head to your head level and we'll see who get there first.

 

That is the key. That Dude can move forward with a PS.

The guy with those skills can move forward in the shell. He has the tools to do it. It will be progressively harder the better the competition.

I always tell guys, certain styles are for That Dude. If you have to ask? You ain't That Dude. Put the tapes of Tyson, prime Ali, RJJ, etc... down. You can't learn that.

 

well of course you can move forward in that style. When i do, i don't fire punches. I react to what my opponents want to do. I don't walk forward and fire a bunch of jabs from philly. I would still be in defensive mode while moving forward.

The guy is trying to fight using phily solely. Nothing wrong with that i guess but why come forward in philly when you can conventional? Why try to jab with a conventional?

 

Cracking the Philly Shell was the point of the thread. It should have read, "What are the weakness that allow you to beat the Philly Shell?"

As there is more distance between me and the opponent my lead hand comes further out, forward, and back to center. Depending on your height/reach/speed I would take that bet. "Wrong" is situational.

 

The shoulder roll isn't some universal technique.

Broner/Mayweather/Toney are all radically different.

Toney doesn't roll punches usually. He rides with them. Catching them, but at the end with the power reduced. The objective of his defense is to draw the right hand from the opponent, ride it out, and come back with his own right. He takes more punches, but it causes his opponents to over commit so the impact of his counters is greater.

Mayweather rolls the right hand and catches the jab. The objective of his defense isn't counterpunching. It's a way to smother the work of his opponent so he can reset outside.


Broner's is weird. He doesn't use much upper body or lower body movement. It's just a guard that he explodes out of.

 

yeah i figured that what he was asking.

Anyone with decent speed will outjab you. I guarantee I can fire 10 jabs consecutively right now to your 5 from your philly position. Don't believe me? anyone on this forum get up from your seat and try it.

Fire 10 jabs from conventional.
And then fire 10 jabs from philly and by the third punch you will start to feel dumb.

 

To make him react, i.e., come forward. Larry Holmes threw this type of jab and has the type of dimensions needed to use a jab in the PS (good reach and above average speed/accuracy). In my experience if you are using the PS on a guy he usually has a hole in his game or is more "basic" in his offensive attack (too aggressive and bits on everything, always hooks in close, head hunts, stays too long after he is tired, doesn't gauge distance well, etc...).

I hope nobody fights solely using the PS. Unless you have been a bad ass since birth from a line of bad asses... You will get sparked. Hopefully, anybody using a PS is at minimum a better balanced fighter in a regular stance.

 

It isn't that I don't believe you. I am just saying it is possible to effectively jab. Using the PS is all about making countering situations. Stinging the jab isn't really the point, but possible if you have the reach, speed, and timing.

Feel dumb why? I don't really need or try to land many jabs in a PS. Like I said, I move my hand back to center, more forward, and lift it slightly when moving forward. I am not worried about body shots when a guy isn't in close. I rely on speed/timing/placement. How many shots thrown isn't really the point.

 

Not being able to effectively use the jab is hands down the biggest weakness of Philly shell.

 

A lot of time those boxers does it for flash purposes. If they double up they keep the punches following afterwards by their head, and not back to the waist position so really they are not fighting out of philly to conventional.

Again i'm not saying that people can't do it but is just not smart to.

I have seen guys trying to do 1-2 from philly and it is awkward and slow.

 

Is that the weakness that makes it beatable? :huh

 

another reason why floyd chose to jab at the stomach bc he could actually get to the stomach faster than his opponent's head.

 

Phillyshell is easily beatable. It is a good style but not many people have the focus, smarts, timing, and the confidence to do it right.

 

So tell us how... :good

 

my coach gets on me every time when i use it. "you don't know what your doing, back to conventional!" Eventually i just stopped listening to him because i felt more comfortable using it against people who outweigh me by 20+lbs. I could stand my ground a lot better taking shots to the shoulder than with my hands pressed against my head and absorbs block damage.

Eventually he just does mild complains here and there bc he knows it was working for me.