Weight drained De la hoya or Coralles, whose win we should credit more?

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  1. trowell22

    trowell22 Member Full Member

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    Just to clarify facts,
    between pacquiao's win over Oscar against
    mayweather's win over Chico


    Oscar did make weight weeks before the fight:hey

    Chico did not even make weight on his first attempt at weigh in:bart

    so which win should we credit more?:think

    below are the reports


    Mayweather destroys a drained Corrales
    Castillo cements his position as lightweight champion by .....Chris Bushnell
    http://www.boxingchronicle.com

    It was complete domination. For the entire duration of their highly-anticipated showdown, Floyd Mayweather Jr. used his speed and defense to thoroughly outclass previously unbeaten Diego Corrales. When it was over, Corrales had been knocked down five times in less than ten rounds, the only times in his career that he had touched the canvas. While the fight failed to generate even a fraction of the excitement that was expected, it was nonetheless a dazzling showcase for Mayweather, Jr.

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    The first round established the vast superiority of Floyd Mayweather's handspeed. Launching quick jabs and leaping in with lead rights, Mayweather was able to pop Corrales seemingly at will. Although Mayweather moved from side to side in between his single-punch bursts, Corrales had no problem cutting off the ring. Time and again, Mayweather found himself trapped in a corner, with a much larger Corrales moving in for some offense. But every time Corrales would let his hands go, Mayweather would simply duck and weave, tie Corrales up, or spin out to center ring. Corrales was lucky to catch a few scant body shots in these corner exchanges, his only landed blows of the round.

    After the first round ended, Floyd Mayweather, Sr., exiled to the front row, shouted to his estranged son "Keep this up and we'll have him out of here in 8 or 9 rounds." He was one round off. Mayweather, Jr. could be seen leaning through the ropes to catch his father's unsolicited advice... and he followed it. Mayweather simply continued along at the exact same pace for the entire fight, and sure enough Corrales slowly broke down.

    Official PunchStat numbers tallied only 60 landed blows for Corrales after 10 rounds of action... and that number might have been a bit high. Corrales was unable to find Mayweather all night. In every round, Corrales followed Mayweather's movement closely, keeping the pressure on. But his pressure was almost never accompanied by thrown punches. Corrales may not have thrown a single punch at center ring all evening, opting to save his limited offense for those times that he trapped Mayweather in a corner, or on the ropes. But he just couldn't land. Meanwhile, Mayweather was tattooing him.

    Pretty Boy Floyd only occasionally unleashed the four and five punch combinations that brought him to the spotlight several years ago, but he didn't need to. Over and over, he simply launched his crisp, quick punches at Corrales. More than half the time, he landed clean. Corrales was mostly unfazed by Mayweather's power, but the constant abuse swelled his face and wore him out. Mayweather was conscious to work the body, and by the mid rounds was fluidly mixing in liver shots with his hooks and crosses.

    By the sixth round, Corrales' frustration had grown while his knees had weakened. Although Corrales landed his best punch of the night in the sixth - a counter left hook that drew a grin from Mayweather - his fatigue was getting the better of him. Mayweather's shots bounced off Corrales' head prior to the sixth, but now his laser-guided bombs began swiveling Corrales' head.

    The seventh was a nightmare for Corrales. Moments after the bell to begin the round, Mayweather leaped at Corrales Roy Jones-style with a lead left hook. Corrales ate the punch and dropped immediately to his hands and knees. He got up and beat the count, but looked weak. Mayweather attacked when the fight resumed, and Corrales got in a good shot while Mayweather flurried on him. But a minute later, Mayweather caught Corrales with yet another flush lead hook, and this one made Corrales sit down. Corrales again rose, his legs looking even more frail. Mayweather flurried again, finally trapping Corrales in a corner for a change. Referee Richard Steele looked on the verge of stopping the bout when Corrales went down for a third time. It was unclear if Corrales wilted under Mayweather's barrage, or if he consciously tried to take a knee to halt the flurry... but he was down again. When he got up, he appeared clear-headed, and Steele let the fight continue... but the bell sounded to save Corrales from further abuse. Judges are reluctant to score a round lower than 10-7 in a three knockdown round... but a 10-6 could have been justified given the completely one-sided action.

    Believe it or not, Corrales had his best round in the eighth, although he lost that round, too. Fighting with more desperation, Corrales threw sustained punches for the first half of the round, but only a single left hook landed. The rest caught nothing but air. Mayweather easily tucked his chin behind his shoulder and slipped the incoming. These misses amounted to the final Corrales effort, as the missing seemed to only tire him out more, and he rarely threw another punch all night.

    After a ninth round that saw Corrales follow Floyd around without throwing, Mayweather put an end to the contest in the tenth. Halfway through that round, he again popped Corrales with a short left hook. Corrales' knees buckled, although he looked coherent. As Richard Steele counted, Corrales consciously stayed down on one knee until 8, after which he popped up and was allowed to continue. Mayweather calmly continued his speedy assault, and a moment later, a straight right hand landed on Corrales' chin. Corrales' legs were gone, and the punch made him genuflect in place, his knees touching the canvas before he popped back up to a standing position. Corrales cursed himself, frustrated that his body could not do what he wanted. He was awake, unhurt, and extremely frustrated. But his corner had seen enough.

    As Richard Steele reached the count of five, Corrales began shouting "No! No! No! No!" His father/trainer was on the ring apron holding a towel. He was calling the fight. Steele didn't see the forfeit, and might have accidentally let the bout continue had Corrales not protested and ran to the corner. But as soon as Steele saw the situation, he waved the bout over. Mayweather KO10.

    Corrales (now 33-1/27) was livid, repeatedly demanding "What the **** are you doing?!" He had a point. He was on his feet in a championship contest. His head was clear, even though his legs could barely keep him up. His father, having warned Corrales repeatedly that he would stop the bout if Corrales didn't throw more punches, wasn't concerned with how Corrales looked at the time. He was thinking about the future. Corrales will live to fight another day... if his out-of-the-ring legal troubles don't send him to the big house for an extended layoff.






    BRILLIANT PACMAN BATTERS OSCAR
    By Graham Shaw


    Manny Pacquiao produced an astonishing display to stop Oscar De La Hoya after eight rounds of their superfight in Las Vegas on Saturday night.

    The reigning P4P king disproved the old adage that size matters by moving up three weight divisions in just eight months to hand out a sustained beating to the faded 'Golden Boy'.

    In March this year Pacquiao was plying his trade at super-featherweight, while De La Hoya was a light-middle.

    Here they met at welterweight, and Oscar was expected to hold all the aces in terms of size and reach.

    But once the hype was over and they finally got in the ring, it was speed that mattered as the Filipino icon first befuddled De La Hoya, and then battered him.

    Manny started the bout by boxing well from the outside, and even in the early going he just couldn't miss with his straight left lead through the De La Hoya guard.

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    He had trouble landing ,anything as Pacquiao continued his smash-and-grab raid by hitting and moving with bewildering speed.

    By the halfway stage De La Hoya's left eye was starting to swell, and Pacquaio was pitching a virtual shutout on the scorecards.

    In the seventh it was time for Manny to move in for the kill, and with De La Hoya seemingly powerless to get off the ropes, the Filipino icon scored at will with sustained attacks.

    De La Hoya signalled that he wanted to go on despite his struggles, and did keep Pacquiao at bay for the first two minutes of round eight.

    But in the dying seconds of the round he was back on the ropes a broken man as Pacquiao handed out more punishment. It was like Ali v Holmes back in 1980 - a once-great fighter faded beyond recognition acting as a virtual punch bag.

    With his eye virtually shut, Oscar was told by referee Tony Weeks between rounds that if he kept eating punches the fight would be stopped.

    More punishment wasn't necessary though, as De La Hoya's corner pulled him out before the ninth could get under way.
     
  2. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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  3. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Mayweather easily.


    DLH made weight but he actually weighed 147. IT's not that he didn't drain properly. He was actually weighing 147. Lighter than Pacquaio. Very unhealthy.


    Pac's win over DLH is at best is on the level of his win against David Diaz.


    If even want to consider primes. It's not even close.


    Mayweathers win was over a way way way way way way way way better opponent.
     
  4. Detroit

    Detroit Get Money Full Member

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    Yea..that's too much **** to be reading!

    But anyway,Mayweather gets more credit for his win over Chico.

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  5. trowell22

    trowell22 Member Full Member

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    atleast those where valid sources dumbass:patsch

    and I already highlighted some parts of the article for your pentium 1 brain:good
     
  6. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather win over chico was stunning and againsta PRIME opponent who was the favorite going in.
     
  7. trowell22

    trowell22 Member Full Member

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    and DLh was not the favorite on their fight with pac?:huh

    duhhhhh....
     
  8. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    Corrales was over-rated in my opinion. Exciting yes, but most people should have realized that he was going to get out-boxed sooner or later. Corrales game was on the inside with astonishing power from short punches; he always looked good against aggressive opponents. However Corrales never learned how to use his reach and often kept his hands down. I don't think Corrales was really that hurt being knocked down by Maywhether, and it makes sense now that he didn't really have his feet under him because of the bouncing up and down weight, but he never would have touched Mayweather.

    On the other hand DelaHoya had proven mastery of height and reach advantages and proven skills of the in and out game. However DelaHoya could not rehydrate and it was visible he was just a frail version of his prime self. For all intents and purposes, Pac was considered the best p4p fighter at the time based on skill and DLH was suppose to win based on his weight advantage which he clearly lost making the weight.

    I think both wins are over-rated, but Mayweather definitely gets the nod on the better victory fighting an undefeated champion recently campaigning at the weight. However neither victory much matters when it comes to comparing both fighters or how they will do against each other. Both PAC and MAY have proven themselves with their abundance of championship fights and victories and would be a close fight and legacy to compate to each other.
     
  9. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Yeah, what the hell? Man Hindsight is 20/20 for so many folks on here.
     
  10. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how about the wieght in the ring??? ODH was 147....corrales was replenished and had never fought over that weight
     
  11. AceNguyen

    AceNguyen Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Considering that Corrales continued to make 130 for 3 more years and even weighed in at 128 1/2 against Casamayor, it's pretty clear that he wasn't as weight drained as people may claim. He just got his ass whooped against a master boxer.
     
  12. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i am a huge PBF fan but floyd was favored...i bet the fight 140-100...although if u told me ODH would hav NO size advantage in the ring with pac i would make pac a huge favorite...i think everyone assumed ODH would be 10-15 lbs heavier than pac
     
  13. trowell22

    trowell22 Member Full Member

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    it depends on how you lost the weight, chico was struggling even at the weigh ins

    that would really take a toll on you and considering he is 6 feet tall, taller than Oscar...:nut
     
  14. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it was a joke you moron.
     
  15. trowell22

    trowell22 Member Full Member

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    hurt?:lol:

    easy counter, hehehehe... seriously man, what's your take on this issue?