Weight Lifting for boxing

How many weights did Ali lift? Or Sugar Ray Robinson for that matter? Or Joe Louis? Boxing is so very different than other sports when it comes to the necessity of training with weights. Conditioning is king when it comes to Boxing not how weight strong you are. Plus it can be rather time consuming. When I watched how stiff and plodding Shannon Briggs looked in his fight with Vitaly K. I wondered how weight training benefitted him? He was so slow and stiff he couldn't throw an effective combination and you could time his speed with a sundial. Give me the old school method of training which by the way included some weight training usually in the form of some dumbbell or wall pulley work not deadlifts or snatches or heavy squats. Stick to the basics and work hard. Never mind whether or not you should be using weight training movements best suited for Football players, Olympic lifters or wrestlers.

 

How many weights did they lift? i dont know. How long ago did they fight?

Boxing is one of the only sports left that has shown very little progression compared to other sports

 

other sports like? what other sports have been around since 8th century BC? homer did write of odysseus knocking out Irus with a right cross counter. if the right cross counter has been known since the days of the greeks really how much room did boxing have to improve on 2500 years later when broughton rules were created?

are there any other sports with such a history? id say the closest being baseball being around in the 1600's known as rounders and eventually becoming baseball in the 1850's. so how much has baseball progressed? there seems to be a crap load of steroids and thats about it...id still rank Babe ruth at least top 3 all time with shoeless joe right up there with him. 1910 phillies 1927 yankies 1929 phillies some of the greatest teams of all time.

some times you get to a point where the more you change the more you screw things up.

 

LOL this thread is such a tardfest.. now Ylem has a friend on his side.

strength and power ARE related. You know that right?

Also, whoever the **** said Briggs was stiff cos of weights I pity you. Weights DO NOT make you stiff. Being a heavyweight makes you slow and stiff. Both the Klitschkos use weights, Foreman, Tua, Tyson all used weights in some form. You can be stubborn and get butthurt all you like, but the fact of the matter is, if the skill levels are anywhere near each other, generally the stronger, more powerful man will win.

 

so the stronger more powerfull man beats the faster guy with more stamina?

like in ali vs foreman right?

 

you missed 'if the skill levels are anywhere near each other'.

Ali was alot more skillful than Foreman, as well as being bigger.

The strength advantage would only have had minimal influence.

EDIT: and yes, stamina makes a huge difference. If you had read any of my previous posts on this subject I often say that strength training should not come at the expense of conditioning. But it SHOULD be done.

 

foreman was 220 ali 216 and at the point in time ali was not more skillful...just more experienced.

 

Its all relevant.

skill, strength, experience all carry proportionately equal weight. As long as all three are present, alongside conditioning a surplus in one can make up for a deficiency in the others.

 

Ylem, I'd also like to point out you've never competed and you've only been sparring for like max a couple of months.

I'm not even ragging on you, you genuinely will have no idea what its like to have a strong guy in the ring. unless he gasses, everything gets harder.

 

so how does foot speed and hand speed fit in? or is that not important compared to strength?

 

once again, its all relevant.

my point is not that strength is the only quality necessary, nor do you think that. You are trying to make a strawman argument to take away from points that you cannot argue.

I've heard you come out with **** like:

strength training makes you stiff/slow
strength training takes the snap out of your punches..

and a whole lot more on boxing scene.

I am not denying that all these qualities are necessary in boxing, what I am saying is that weights are GOOD for boxers, and that weights DO help increase punching power.

No i don't mean bodybuilding, I mean a proper strength training program.

 

i dont know about stiff...if ive said that i would have defnatly said right after it that light stretching between sets would remedy that and that one should allways be stretching between sets.

i dont know about an entire strength training program i will say that 1 or 2 supplemental exercises done 3-5 times a week can be help full training acceleration so that with proper boxing related training a harder punch can be formed.

I think an entire strength training program is alittle overboard and will result in unwanted mass added to stabilizing muscles and synergysts i also feel it takes time that could be better spent doing boxing specific training as well as when first startting the rountine will take alot of time away from boxing due to the recovery of the muscles.

and theres also my theory that due to the conductivity and how fast twitch muscles tend to react instanly to stimulation excess strength training will result in an increase in fast twitch fibers causing the punch to be less whip like and more mechanical aka slow and less snappy.

 

You know an 'entire strength training program' can consist of like 3-5 exercises right?.. Didn't think so.

Strength training DOESN'T NECESSARILY BUILD MASS. You don't seem to understand that strength is as much a skill as anything else. Strength training (without a calorie surplus) teaches the nervous system to recruit muscles into movements at greater speed and in a way which results in greater force.. I'll say it again DOESN'T NECESSARILY BUILD MASS.

Strength training, if done correctly, actually has very little necessary recovery time. I do weight training 2 mornings a week, the other mornings and evenings are devoted to skill training and conditioning. It definitely has less recovery time than weighted circuits.

and that 'theory' you present is bull**** for the reasons I've said above.

 

The more you speak the dumber you sound. You shouldn't ever be stretching between sets. Lifting weights doesn't equate to putting on mass. Look at olympic lifters, they are incredibly flexible, strong and powerful yet they still have to make weight. There are different types of lifting weights.
Your theory is absolute bollocks, don't call it a theory because you don't know a thing. What in the world makes you think that an increase in fast twitch fibres is going to cause someone to become 'slow and less snappy'? Your power from a punch comes from your legs and the rotation of your core, the arms provide very little force of their own, they are just there to pass the power on from your legs and core.
A good strength and conditioning program is going to increase coordination and strength through these areas that generate power. Weights done the right way in combination with stretch-shortening exercises are going to supplement anybodies boxing training beautifully. Obviously skills of your sport are the main thing to focus on, I don't think anybody is claiming you are going to become a better boxer by lifting weights. Weights are a supplement to your training to improve overall strength, just like running is included to help out with a boxers cardiorespiratory fitness.

 

You are stuck in the past. Briggs lost because he wasn't a good enough boxer. Vitaly K also lifts weights. Using your logic I'm gonna claim he won because he lifts weights. You are an idiot. The exercises you say not to do are the very ones a boxer should be doing and the ones you say are okay are the ones to be careful with.