Weight Training Over Rated?

i don't necessarily think that it hurts, but I agree that massive muscles in and of themselves don't make you a harder puncher.

 

Genetics bitches, you either got it or you don't

"Mike Tyson"

"Thomas Hearns"

 

Punching power comes from the core muscles so you have to strengthen them and work on explosive movements. Doing a bodybuilding routine won't necessarily improve your punching power. You also have to have natural skills and the coordination to throw effective punches.

 

Paulie Malignaggi will definitely love to meet you based on your logic :bbb

 

atsch Haven't you seen the new Malignaggi? He's a KO beast now, ready to terrorize welterweights.

 

Well, I think there is a way to train intelligently to punch that sometimes uses weights, but the way these guys train to gain a bunch of useless size works counterproductively to that goal:

a) the really larger muscles need much more oxygen crosssectionally to function even at a minimum level, and fatigue more quickly when Oxygen supplies are scarce (this is due to surface area to volume of the muscle).

b) they don't practice punching. It doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't land a punch or throw it with some modicum of proper leverage

c) strength isn't everything. Being strong WONT hurt your punching power if you are still fluid and know how to punch, but these guys have never developed fluidity and WILL tire quickly from the unnatural amounts of muscle that some types of lifting/supplements will produce.

If Floyd and Mosley get in a weight lifting contest tomorrow, BET THE HOUSE ON MOSLEY. Floyd is not going to be able to throw around the weight shane does ... but his functional strength and skill allow him to throw Mosley around in the ring.

 

Punching power is technique and speed. Building short muscle won't help your TORQUE.

 

What do you mean by functional strength?

 

Goddamn it, aramini, this was the point I was about to make.

 

True or false: I'm a skinny guy, lifting weights would definitly help me

 

It depends how much weight you put on and at what time span you put it on your frame. Like Aramini said, you need to be intelligent by how you're progressing if you want to maintain your speed and endurance.

Working out is benefitial, building muscle mass takes time.

Basically, I don't think it will do you any harm, so go for it.

 

True, it definitely would.


The problem with 99% of guys training today is that they are ****ing idiots. They do bodypart split routines that they clip out of bodybuilding magazines

That is not how an athlete trains. That is how a roided bodybuilder trains, working for maximum hypertrophy and employing high volume whilst giving no though to actual physical performance of any kind

Athletes train differently


Athletes must SQUAT and DEADLIFT and PRESS for strength and power

For a boxer, I would employ deadlifts, kettlebells, goblet squats and explosive work with medicine balls and strongman implements like ropes, sandbags, and logs


Oh, and bench pressing, leg press, ALL weightlifitng machines, and bosu balls are a complete ****ing waste of time and not conducive to anything athletic

 

Pavlik and Floyd have it: they can push a guy around, do things, but in a limited range of motion ain't no way they are very strong - ie their individual muscles are not that strong in isolation but together everything works. Floyd CAN push Mosley around, stay toe to toe with him, hurt him, move, because he is not a weak guy, but I bet there is not one single lift with raw strength that he even comes close to Mosley in the weight room.

For example, at a smoker I once fought a tall skinny guy, like 6'1' and 152 or so. I had seen him do pushups, pullups, even bench before, and honestly he had about half my strength. But when we fought, he hit hard enough to hurt me because everything about him, his quickness, his technique, it all came together and he had high functional strength.