Weight Training Over Rated?

how many have you trained? the only person on this board that has kind of actual proof of knowing anything about boxing would be Brown Bomber as he has a sparring and training video in his training logs.

the rest of you guys are just talking out your arse even im talking out my arse some of the time.

wayne how about you put up a bag video and show ESB what kind of skills you got? wear a ski mask if you dont want to be recongnized.

and can you please quote where any one claimed that most boxers lean? thx

 

Why doesn't Joe Paterno get out on the field and prove he knows how to play football?

 

because hes a coach and not a trainer......noooooo nooo wait.....becuse he allready did play football for brown from 1946-1949.

and hes also like 84 years old.

 

Dont worry ylem, the guys that have sense know who eachother are around here and we certainly know who you guys are that talk out of your ass lol, scrap is my trainer so i know he has done what he says hes done.. he also knows who brown bomber is... and brown bomber knows him.

Ylem you see because i am very happy with my training and my trainer i dont post videos up of me asking for constructive critisism elsewhere out of respect for scrap.. thats just not me. specially on these forums because i know there is nothing most guys on this forums would notice that scrap wouldnt when i train with him.. therefore the only reason i would waste time trying to post up a video on here is to show off or justify myself to people like you which i dont need to do.. and have never been asked to do. however if thats what you want ylem ill see what i can do, ill try to post a video of myself and of a lad ive been training once a week for about 6 month now. and then you can explain in terms of technique in as much detail as i do why i shouldnt be doing the things i do? however i doubt you would be able critique anyones boxing at all because you have no idea what your doing and are teaching yourself youtube boxing.. lol

 

Oh yes and regarding the comment which you edited ylem regarding who mentioned leaning, nobody mentioned leaning but we was disscussing bad posture, which almost certainley causes leaning.. i dont know why i bother with these forums..

 

Ive never asked for constructive critism....i put up the videos to prove i knew proper punch technique. you guys took it apon your selfs to critique it......please do post the quote where i ask for critisim on my videos.

I cant wait for the video. im not an ******* and im not ignorant to claims that have adequate proof. if your good ill admit your good, if your student is good ill admit hes good as well and if the video never shows up....

if you dont want to make a thread, as i hadnt since i wasnt asking for advice but instead proving that i can punch, you can just post it here or pm me the video.

 

he was discussing tucking your chin slightly which most boxers do and that the tucking of the chin offsets the head.

do most boxers have their chin tucked? do most boxers lean?

plus your claim is based on "both have very good posture when its needed" your not even saying they box with good posture all the time......your just claiming that when they need good posture they have good posture.....which alludes that there are times when you need bad posture or atleast that there are times when posture dosnt matter.

i personally have very good posture when its needed like when im working distance on the bag as youve seen in the pic of me jabbing. of course when you watch my video you have no idea what im doing when im doing it and just assume its wrong.

 

he was arguing that dropping the chin is better, dropping the chin doesnt just effect your head usually ends up bending the spine, tucking/pulling the chin back doesnt. it actually straigtens it out a bit.. this is getting boring now.. that same old text nit picking i spoke of earlier..

Ylem even if i didnt post the video it doesnt make what i say not true.. lol. however if i do remember to do a video this week ill post it in a training log or somthing. maybe it will stop me having to give away all this information to get some of you to listen however there isnt really a benefit in it for me for the time itll take really as im not computer literate so itll either be easy or itll take the ****, im not really bothered if you or onepunch listen because i know actual fighters will read what i say and it will make sense and help them regardless of what you think.

And to be fair ylem all you will be able to do is comment on if he looks fast and if the bag moves a lot because you know nothing about boxing.. we know that mate, dont worry about it. lol, you wouldnt even be able to tell if he can hit hard if he wasnt hitting somthing that moves.. or without sound on the video, but whatever ill see what i can do, however ill only post it if you promise to cut the **** out and admit that you dont go to a gym or that if you do you need a better one and stop making up boxing technique in your head as you go along.. lol

 

Ill show you more respect if you deserve it. thats about the extent of my promise.

i go to a gym it is an hour away and is the only gym with in an hour that offers acceptable times since i work night shift.........whether or not i need to go to a better gym i am unable to go to another gym.

what i really need to do is get on day shift and get better health insurance so i can acutally start fighting instead of just training and sparring.

and now actually checking out my coaches pro record of 3 wins 11 losses 1 draw....i probly do want to look around for another gym.

 

This post is pure fallacy. Trying to draw the attention away from the fact you are wrong by attempting to comment on my boxing skills, of which you have no knowledge at all.

I do not claim to have the technical knowledge of a chiropractor, but I was not offering technical expertise either. I simply argued against the assertion that your head should be above your coccyx, which is absolutely right. I agreed that your head should be above your hips but NOT YOUR COCCYX, how does that in itself make me less knowledgable than you?

You have stated why good posture is beneficial, but nobody was arguing that, I am arguing against the assertion that the head should be above the coccyx.. how many times must I repeat this before you just admit that assertion was wrong and move on?

 

I admitted that you was guilty of nitt picking through text, scouring google to try and correct anything you can no matter how small or irrelevent to the topic the mistake may be, yet without being able to add anything constructive to the topic, well done there again.. that must have taken some imagination and intellect..

Bottom line is its about where the centre of gravity is and posture, which all goes towards one principle.. supporting the head. this is what scrap said initially in terms of punching power ''its where your head is'' and he was right.

So sorry for mentioning the wrong bone, maybe you are correct and it is the pelvic bone a few mm next to it...

Now to get back to the thread.. i do think resistance is necessary, however i believe the benefits from it can fight against you if technique isnt right.

 

As a trainee lawyer, the skills of argument are necessary to keep people like you from straying too far from their original assertion in order to try and make themselves appear in the right. So yes, it does take intellect.

Notice how you used a line of reasoning to justify a very broad and ambiguous statement?
Just because there is a correlation between punching power and head position, that does NOT mean that head placement is responsible for punching power. You are attributing logical fallacy and oversimplication of body mechanics to producing punching power.

Punching power is about momentum and weight distribution. Increased strength and physical power allow you to create more momentum, whereas technique allows you to create correct weight distribution.

How can it fight against you? In grappling arts I understand how it can hinder learning, as strong guys will often use strength to make things work instead of understanding technique, however in boxing strength won't stop you getting punched in the face which, let's face it, is the ultimate corrective measure in the sport.

 

Interesting thing that, what type of training is it? Thats allows someone to be physically strong like that but if you took the same two people in a weights room they would the other guy would out do him?

If you look at Fedor its very much the same, his ability to out muscle someone incredible.

 

If the other guy is stronger, the ability to push him about is SKILL.

 

The thing you need to understand is that power and technique need to come from perfect balance or they are gonna be less than what they could be. Balance is all to do with the position of the head. The things that you talk about when you mention punching power are all dependant on balance.
The reason why some physically weaker guys can manhandle stronger guys is again all to do with balance, the abilty to feel and reposition their centre of gravity as required and more rapidly than the other guy.
The reason why you see beginners in the gym with terrible footwork is because everybody thinks that you have to keep your chin down. It throws off balance.
Everything in boxing is built off balance, correct somebodies head position and you see everything improve right away, footwork, power, everything. Look at elite boxers and you'll notice that there is minimal head movement, tilting, leaning. They keep their head balanced and when they 'move' their head they are not moving their head, they are using their body to move the position of the head.
Look at Ylem's videos, because of his terrible posture and looking at the ground his balance is terrible, he thows awkward arm punches and his feet are always lifting off the ground. You feel that any second his little heavy bag is going to knock him over.
Balance is EVERYTHING, it can't be overrated.