weight training vs push ups

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by ero-sennin, Feb 19, 2009.


  1. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I train my chest once a week using weights. I do 6 sets of bench press, 4 sets of dumbell flys and two sets of push ups. Reps are done untill failure and are usually between 5-8, with a 2 minute rest between sets. My chest is a little sore for the next couple of days. The session lasts about 45 minutes.


    I know some people prefer to simply do push ups for an hour. I'm sure most of you know about scooby the bodybuilder from youtube http://fitness.scoobysworkshop.com/. On his site he says even if you're a hardcore bodybuider, if you do push ups for an hour your chest will be destroyed the next day. I've tried doing this. When I didn't have access to weights I did push ups for an hour, 1-2 minute rest between sets. Reps were untill failure, about 6-12 reps. With good form on fists with elbows going straight behind rather than to the sides. My chest was fine the day, I didn't feel as if I got as good a workout. :think

    So what do you guys do for a chest workout? What about weight training for the chest and then doing push ups the other days of the week? Would that have any benefits or would the muscles be over trained? At the moment I do a couple of sets of 2 finger push ups and one arm push ups till failure everyday, in addition to my chest workout once a week.

    I know some people claim to do over 500 push ups a day. Boy am I a long way off that. But if I could, would this be more beneficial than training the chest once a week with weights? I've been weight training longer than my brother who used to train his chest just by doing push ups everyday (I think he did about 3 sets of around 12). The first time he tried to do a bench press he was able to do more reps than me with the same weight. He weighs slightly less than me too, although a little taller. I'm wondering if doing push ups rather than weights made him stronger than me even though he weighs less and didn't use weights before.
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Doing pushups will make you great at doing pushups, lifting weights will make you great at lifting weights. How about just doing some boxing exercises?
     
  3. MasterFlo

    MasterFlo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just mix up the chest excersises, too much of one type of workout will really hurt the next day. I do about 5 different ones for my chest, they're obviously easy to find. And don't listen to people who tell you not to do weights, try it out and see if it works for you. I saw a huge improvment in speed and power of my hooks after using the chest fly alot.
     
  4. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not a boxer, although I have done a little bit of martial arts and still train. I'm pretty sure most boxers/MMA fighters do train with weights so it must have other benefits besides just making you good at lifting weights.
     
  5. cockneyhardman

    cockneyhardman Member Full Member

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    personally i think doing endless pushups is a waste of time
    do you need endurance in your chest?
    what muscles in your body fatigue when boxing?
     
  6. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    By doing bag work and shadowboxing you will gain muscular endurance exactly where you need it. Pushups are nice during warmup, or a circuit for example, but don't expect anything.
     
  7. BlackWater

    BlackWater G.Wash. Full Member

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    What are your goals?
     
  8. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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  9. BlackWater

    BlackWater G.Wash. Full Member

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    By what your saying you are aiming for the same goal that every good athlete wants to be. Good Athletes find success by training their whole bodies not just individual parts, so instead of focusing your training days by chest/back/legs work your entire body everyday.

    This is a very widely used and successful strength routine made by Mark Rippetoes


    Workout A
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Bench Press
    1x5 Deadlift

    Workout B
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Standing military press
    3x5 Power cleans

    You train on 3 nonconsecutive days per week.

    So week 1 might look like:
    Monday - Workout A
    Wednesday - Workout B
    Friday - Workout A

    Week 2:
    Monday - Workout B
    Wednesday - Workout A
    Friday - Workout B
     
  10. Iceveins

    Iceveins Puglistic Linguistics Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  11. Scott Bolinger

    Scott Bolinger Member Full Member

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    You need to work all the muscle groups How you do it is up to you. Some people commit to a 3 day a week weight lifting , in which you do a full body exercise. Some do a 5 and 6 day weight training program were every other day your working the upper body and on the off days from that your working the lower body. Some trainig programs your on a 4 or 5 day training program and each day is dfffernt and your working specific muscle groups.

    I personallyy prefer weight lifting and medicine ball work out routines over just pushups.
     
  12. boxbible

    boxbible Active Member Full Member

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    The majority of power comes from the legs. It's because they're 4 to 5 times the size of the chest muscles.

    But, a whole body workout, three times a week, sticking to the basic, compound movements would be much better if you're early in the game and don't know much about weight training.

    There is a concept called the ladder of intensity which means as you go from novice weight training to experienced weight lifting, you start with basic stuff and advance to more complex routines.

    This means that you start off with simple basic excercises which the novice body will respond to and when these alone are no longer sufficient to shock the body into more gains, then you add other excercises and split body parts and so on.

    Start off with the basic freshman package: squats, calf raises, bench, lat pull-downs, shoulder press, rows, abs... (one workout, three times a week)

    intermediate package: add stiff-legged deadlifts, biceps curls, triceps puchdowns

    sophomre package: start splitting workouts between pushing and pulling muscles (five workouts a week eg... M.T,W... Fri, Sat (Thu & Sun off)

    senior package: freestyle weightl training

    And go and read about weight training so you understand the difference between doing heavy bench presses and a thousand pushups. There's tons of good books out there.
     
  13. sam1222

    sam1222 **** You. Full Member

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    i love push ups and pull-ups/chin-ups. there's no better exercise for building strength in the chest,arms and shoulders. i work them into my routine no matter what i'm doing, whether its weights or boxing training. most people dont like them cos their hard to do. do 1-200 every day and you'll see a difference mate.
     
  14. Bodi

    Bodi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree with the above posters who question why you focus so much attantion on your chest. If you are adament that you want to proceed down this route, dump the weights and normal pushups. Focus on one arm pushups, hindu pushups, clap, double clap, and triple clap pushups, power overs, add a weighted vest, raise your feet, place your hands on medicine balls, or suspend a pair of gymnastic rings from the roof so they hang about 12" off the floor and do pushups on them.

    If you follow the above protocols, I guarantee that your chest will develop like never before, in addition to the associated core and wrist benefits.
     
  15. Mr. Blobby

    Mr. Blobby Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Use weights for sure. Problem with press up is that your chest will become acustomed to your body weight and you won't gain any more strength. Yes I know you can target doing more and more reps but why waste time doing 1 hour of press ups when you can get the job done in 15 minutes bench pressing the heaviest weight you can bench.