Weightlifting for Boxing - What to...

If you're so smart what exactly happens when the bell of a boxing contest rings?
And you really haven't presented anything other than weak and childish insults to further your side of the debate which makes you the loser.

 

I'll just repeat my previous post as it fits perfectly...

One day you'll make a relevant post and actually reply with a decent argument. Until that day comes you look like somebody who really isn't very bright.

 

So much stupid flying around in this thread.

Strength training is good for boxing.
Power training is good for boxing once you have a strength base.
Neither is going to save you from having poor boxing ability.
Both will improve your performance if you have good boxing ability.

Take a person who has done strength training to the point where they can explosively throw their bodyweight around. That person will have an easier time transitioning to boxing than someone who can't.

Take a person who has boxed and learned how to do it well. That person can only benefit from adding some strength if they stay within their weight class (not hard to do, really).

Low weight/High reps MIGHT be useful for a fighter going 12-15 rounds. Muscle fatigue can set in over time. An amateur should NEVER be feeling muscle fatigue in a 3 round fight. Simple boxing training with zero supplemental work is more than enough to get to that point.

Heavy weight/Low Reps/Max Rep Speed/Long Rest/No Calorie Surplus is pretty much guaranteed to help any boxer (if he doesn't get injured). Why wouldn't you want to be stronger and more powerful at the same exact bodyweight?

Low Weight/High Reps is for women, idiots, and boxers who have to go 12 rounds. There's no need for weighted muscular endurance training in an amateur boxer, and even a 12 round pro could get the same results from simply boxing.

Hypertrophy training is one of the stupidest things a boxer can do UNLESS he's an unhealthy level of skinny OR a heavyweight. Even those guys would be better off going for strength and just eating a calorie surplus...the size will come and it will be functional muscle. Bodybuilding splits are re****ed unless you're a bodybuilder or want to look good in your v-neck t-shirt at the club.

Source: Common f*cking sense and a little bit of experience/knowledge about lifting and sports training. You don't need a boxing coach or a CSCC/CPT to know this stuff. Lift heavy and hard or don't lift.

 

Saul Canelo Alvarez training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDmFBX30g3Q

Maybe you ought to rethink the importance of bench presses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLY5SG40bUo

That weird weightlifting exercise you may have seen in a couple of the links I've posted ( of actual boxers training ) explained a little bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLY5SG40bUo

 

This has some good points about weight training. He even somewhat shows how the heavy weight low reps can be useful for a boxer--I can see his point on that to a certain degree but I can see how the heavy load/ low rep approach could interfere with a tournament schedule. The way I'm starting to see the picture is using weights for conditioning in boxing you basically can't go wrong, using heavy weight loads to increase strength might help but you can go wrong if you spend too much time doing it. I still feel the 3 Cs; circuits, complexes and combinations are the best way to use resistance training for boxing because they fight more seamlessly into a boxing program in terms of training time needed ( they don't take very long to do ) and the cardio demand they impose on the body is more similar to the cardio demand boxing demands on the body.
http://tribesports.com/blog/strength-training-for-boxing

 

Relevance?

A few things.

1. Who said every boxer should do bench press?
2. Why are those 5 limited exercises better than bench press? Again, we're talking building absolute strength not stability.
3. Why you keep referencing this same guy I don't know.

 

Can someone do a really complete break down of how 1. The Squat 2.the dead lift 3. the bench press . 4 the clean and jerk 5 the snatch . replicates boxing moves. Anyone ?

 

They don't...

 

Exactly ! all the **** that is talked on here about weight training is a joke.

 

Who said weight lifting is meant to replicate boxing in any way? Lets go by your logic of "if it doesn't replicate boxing it's useless" and see what other training we could remove...

Running
Sprints
Skipping rope
Swimming
Cycling

Squats
Push ups
Pull ups
Sit ups
Crunches
Back Extensions

That's a very small list of examples.

Care to explain why we should stop doing these, also?

 

Improving the ability to apply force into the ground, therefore improving agility, power, speed etc.
The triple extension of the knees, hips and ankles is what generates the power of a punch, nothing develops strength/power through the triple extension like weightlifting does.
Deadlift and Bench press perhaps not as useful depending on the individual but a stronger muscle is a more injury resistant muscle. Bench press is good for shoulder stability and the deadlift is good for your hamstrings - which is important if you include sprints in your preparation.
Why are you trying to replicate boxing moves with weights, anyone? You use weights to build different qualities and capacities, that have varying levels of transfer to your boxing.
You really have to be an idiot to not see the value in lifting some heavy weights.
Movement under load will show you where your weaknesses are if nothing else.

 

I think there are a lot of strength and conditioning coaches that are pinching a living, to be honest. All these strength exercises are good for variety, but there seems to be one invented every week! You see boxers doing a myriad of new things, but are they really necessary?

I am not totally against weights, but I don't think they are for every fighter. Many great fighters never lifted weights; were they weaklings?Was Gene Fullmer in any way lacking strength? Or Carmen Basilio?

I think it's a really complex debate, not a "weights are good" or "weights are bad" one. I just don't like this view that David Haye lifts much heavier weights than Joe Frazier so of course he would crush him. It's total *******s that I have seen spouted as gospel on here and I hate it!

 

No athlete should do anything for "variety". Every exercise an athlete does needs to be justifiable.

Nobody said they are.

Who said anything about being weak? There's a few reasons a boxer could utilize weight training.

If a coach knows what to look out for, he/she can determine if a fighter needs a bit of extra power/strength. Weights are also great for correcting imbalances. A hell of a lot of boxers have rounded shoulders due to ridiculous amounts of pushups and little to no back work. Rows and weighted pullups along with other upper back lifts will sort that out fairly easily.

It's not a complex debate. If used correctly, and for the correct reasons, weight training is just another tool in the box.

 

Another tool in the box is a great way of putting it. I also agree on with you on the "imbalances" you mention. I can think of a few fighters who could have beefed up their legs a bit and it would have improved them!

 

punching and rowing using bungee bands are a good push/pull combo that is easy on the joints.