Weights and boxing

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  1. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because it doesn't make you punch faster or harder, l. It's all about the quick-twitch muscles you were born with. Guys can practice round the clock, but if they weren't blessed with quick-twitch muscles (like Donaire) they have to make do with what they have -- maybe amp up their work rate.
     
  2. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    getting stronger does make you punch harder,work your shoulders legs and core,how the hell wont you hit harder??ive boxed for years and know for a fact it helps punching power
     
  3. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ya may believe that, l, but it ain't true; especially at any weight below heavy. If it gave you more confidence, great. If nothing else,it made you better conditioned.
     
  4. juice20

    juice20 Active Member Full Member

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    Sport specific weight training absolutely makes an athlete better. They can take full advantage of their physical gifts when they train properly. If a boxer trained like a bodybuilder for hypertrophy, it would be a hinderance, but none of these guys are jacked mass monsters.....the ones who train hard reap the advantages performance wise, and look like conditioned athletes.
     
  5. Boxing Fanatic

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    if done properly, they can help. look at juan. wlad is an athlete just based on his physique. weights make them strong and give them the power they want but they do other things to maintain their speed
     
  6. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    Making more muscle =strength and speed if you lift right,no way you dont get more power...just look at the 4th Jmm-Manny fight
     
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    stay away just my personal opinion
     
  8. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This reminds me of when Ray Robinson was asked by a reporter if it helped that he crossed himself before the opening round.

    "Only if you can fight"

    Same goes for strength translating into punching power. Strength had nothing to do with JMM stopping Pac. It was the perfect storm. Pac rushed in recklessly, never saw the punch coming and got hit flush on the button by a man who'd KO'd some pretty tough guys among his 40KOs
     
  9. conditioner101

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    Weight training is no different than any other form of training. When properly applied it can be a great benefit. When not properly applied it can be a great hinderance. As most of you know I was Kermit Cintrons S&C coach. I can tell you that over the course of his career in which I worked with him... his physical strength literally tripled. This was done with heavy weight low reps training... focussing strictly on compound movements. In my 24 fights with him he never missed his target weight of 147, and routinely entered the ring at 159-162 lbs. Once Kermits strength ceiling was reached (meaning once he got as strong as possible at his current weight) we would then focus on movements that trained the muscles to react explosively. It is a very simple and effective formula.
    I will briefly explain it in an example I am sure almost all can relate to. Think about times as a youth when you played baseball. You were about to be up at bat. Before taking to the plate you would swing 2-3 bats at the same time, o maybe put a weighted donut on the end of a bat. Then when you picked up and swung one bat... your swing was faster and harder. What you did there is an example of increasing muscle recruitment. Meaning you woke up normally dormant muscle tissue and in turn used more muscle cells to perform the same movement. Over time through training you can become more efficient at this, and become stronger in general. this is called increased neurological efficiency. You have trained your body to recruit more muscle to complete a given task.
     
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    :good

    :twisted:post more you ****
     
  11. brnxhands

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    its not weights that hurt its calories, weight dont make you grow. food does. My old trainer told me to cut it out. Its good an on one hand it isnt
     
  12. dealt_with

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    Quick twitch fibres are developed by weightlifting/sprinting, you can turn slow fibres into fast twitch fibres and vice versa depending on how you train. Hey, you learned something today :good
    Please drop the 'born with' and 'god given' line that you use so much, it's never too late to educate yourself and grow.
     
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    Thank you.
    /endthread
     
  14. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't know how to explain SRR's KO clout other than to call it what it was, God given. It certainly wasn't physical strength.

    I was at a press conference before one of his fights. His opponent was a mountain of muscle, with a respectable KO record. To pump-up box office the promoter put a carnival game on stage to show who was the harder puncher: Each fighter would hit a block on stage with a sledge hammer driving an arrow up to a bell.

    The one that drove the arrow higher was the harder puncher. The mountain of muscle took his turn. Then Sugar tried.

    The brute scored higher. When a reporter asked Sugar about it, he said, "He beat the machine. Let's see what he can do with me"

    Sugar flattened him in the first round.
     
  15. conditioner101

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    LOL you got it.