Weird day of fights...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by shelterr, Nov 28, 2010.


  1. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    -Abraham decides not to punch against Froch even though Froch's left hand is low and the fight is fought largely at Abrahams preferred range.

    -Litzau takes the fight to Caballero and beats him on will and effective punching.

    -Berto KO's the usually sturdy Freddy Hernandez in round 1.

    -JMM gets knocked down and wins by TKO without ever knocking Katsidis down. Not saying JMM didn't deserve the win (cuz he was clearly the better man) but it is still unusual to me.

    -Bika takes the fight to Ward who looks ineffective and mostly powerless.

    I watch alot of boxing and today was real ****in weird to me.
     
  2. Dracon

    Dracon Frédéric Bastiat Full Member

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    Agree for the most part, but
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  3. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Abraham is not an inside or outside fighter. At first Froch kept things on the outside, but after round 3, I could count a million times that froch was well within range for AA to shoot his right and he rarely did.
     
  4. alexanderkareli

    alexanderkareli Member Full Member

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    is it weirder than this?

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  5. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont agree with the whole Abrahams range.
    Froch kept Abraham in the range that Abraham could not be effective in. The few times Abraham got in Froch backed up and sometimes he even ate some good shots which shook him.
     
  6. Lunny

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    Froch just outclassed him. Whenever Abraham tried to throw something back Froch moved out of the way and ducked/dodged it, something he's very good at doing.
     
  7. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I watched the fight twice. I credit Froch for his well fought fight. I don't even like Froch. But if you really watch, there were many missed opportunities for AA to throw the right hand. If he had given Froch a reason to think twice about his offense, it would have been very different. Froch did a great job of slipping punches, but there werent many to slip. If there had been more, Froch wouldn't have slipped em all.
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    There really wasn't anything weird about Froch/Abraham. Both fighters fought pretty much like they always do. There is nothing complicated about Abraham. He has always looked simple to beat. He has now been in the ring with two good fighters, and lost to both. And to be honest, if boxing was always fair, he lost the first Miranda fight.
     
  9. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have always thought Abrahams Style was bizarre but its usually not as simple as it seemed against Froch. He lets people get comfortable for a few rounds and sizes them up. Then explodes with murderous punches that cause his opponent out of their comfort zone, making them realize he can hurt them badly. The other fighter becomes hesitant, Abraham becomes confident and he either wins on points or destroys them. The Taylor fight is perfect example of this. He would have won on points without the knockout, whereas Froch needed a knockout to win against Taylor. Dirrel was quick enough hold off this part of the plan, but Froch wasn't. That Abraham flurry in the 12th was all I needed to see to know that Abraham could have taken the fight to Froch any time after the 3rd.
     
  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Go watch the LuJaun Simon fight. It was clear before that, but it became obvious in that fight that height, reach, work rate, a little cheen, and a decent jab beats AA every time out. And by the way, Simon was literally living off old 160 pound Bronco McKart's left overs.
     
  11. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I watched that fight. AA was clearly drained to make 160 at this point. And he still pulled off the win. Not impressively but wasn't that his last fight at 160 for a reason? I've watched many AA fights and the style I described above was his usual and most effective style. Defensive shell for 3-4 rounds, explode and make opponents fear him after that. It worked most of the time and it could still work. Not that I don't think he should be able to do more, but he skipped the part where he lands and intimidated his opponents the last two times. Dirrel I get. Too fast and had something to prove after the Froch "defeat". But Froch was there for the taking. Not at first, but after a while he was close enough to be hit clean with AA's right. He just didn't throw it.
     
  12. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I forgot to mention that Nate Campbell lost on the undercard! Weird day...
     
  13. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The whole reason Froch beat Abraham so comfortably was that he kept him outside of his favourite range.

    Carl kept his left foot well out and used his ramrod jab hard and often.

    Thats why Abraham resorted to bumrushing, he was never really in a comfortable space to throw.
     
  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I think the deal with AA has a lot to do with the other fighter's punching power. Other than Miranda, the average AA opponent at 160 had a KO ratio around 40%. Feather-fists is something Sauerland looked for in an opponent. Zuniga had about an 80% KO ratio at one tiime. Elvin Ayala had a 38% KO ratio. Sauerland/Abraham ****ed Zuniga out of his mandatory title shot, and fought the great Elvin Ayala. That's probably the most glaring example of how manipulative they were in the past. With AA in the S6 they don't get to manipulate the system.
     
  15. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    That's the beauty of boxing. If you've followed boxing for decades you should know to expect the unexpected.