Weirdest weight changes?

Gammer's weight was 239, actually a little higher than usual (and his heaviest by some 3 pounds to date at the time). I don't think it can be the scales (particularly since Danny was so so much lighter than usual).

Danny has mentioned the hidden weights routine a few times...but it becomes a bit unconvincing given the times he's weighed in in just his shorts and still came up heavy. Unless he's got a dumb-bell stuffed down there, and frankly I'm unwilling to investigate.

 

There are limits of how much weight you can reduce by dehydration. Jones certainly couldn't lose 10 pounds just by dehydration (that's 8%), without everyone noticing he is in need of urgent medical help, it'd be visible even if he lost just 7-8 pounds that way.

 

Chronology of events:

Nov. 17, The Washington Post, about Toney:
His walking-around weight is about 200.

Nov. 18, Sun Sentinel, about Toney:
Says Miller, his trainer: "He's 100 percent better than he used to be, but he's got to get 100 percent better."

Nov. 19, Sun Sentinel:
Although the fight was for the 168-pound title and Jones weighed in at the class limit Thursday while Toney weighed in at 167, their weights were much higher at fight time. According to Marc Rattner, executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Toney weighed 182 pounds and Jones 178.

Nov. 19, The Associated Press:
Getting down to his official weight of 168 pounds from 207 in September might have affected Toney. But Marc Rattner, executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said Toney's fighting weight was 182. Jones weighed in at the class limit of 168 on Thursday but his weight at fight time was 178.

Nov. 22, The Washington Post, about Toney:
He said yesterday that he was recovering from the flu and that Kallen had pressured him to fight before he was ready. Toney said he had fired Kallen.

Nov. 23, The Palm Beach Post:
Toney's frustration over his first professional defeat turned toward Kallen, whom he blamed for setting up a fight at a lower weight class. He said he was forced to drop 40 pounds in six weeks to qualify for the bout. ``Everybody in the world knows that wasn't the real James Toney,'' he told the Detroit News. Toney said Kallen knew he had problems making the weight but told him he would make more money at the lower weight.

Nov. 26, New York Amsterdam News:
"I did my best. I'm a true champion," said James, who lost for the first time in his sparkling 44-1-2 and 29 KOs record. "I tip my hat to Roy Jones, who did a good job running away. He won. I got no excuses. He's the best super middleweight in the world. I ain't gonn'a say he's better than me. I ain't no punk. I'm not going out like that."

Nov. 27, Houston Chronicle:
Toney says he'd contracted the flu during the days preceeding the bout at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and felt physically incapable of waging a normal fight.

Nov. 30, Sacramento Observer:
"I just couldn't get off tonight," Toney told reporters after the fight.
...
Toney lost almost thirty pounds in less than two weeks. At weighin he was 167 pounds, down from his 195 pound training weight in late October.

 

So how do so many boxers come in 17 pounds heavier after the weigh in without needing medical help before hand? (except for the drips which toney liked to use.)
(by the way,i think all this dehydration practice should be banned and monitored,i think may fighters get 'shot' early or get brain injuries by dehydrating.)

 

Ive read those reports before so i can verify they are true (i also followed all the build up and the fight/aftermath.).You will note that jones also added ten pounds.
I think toney is just a lazy bugger between fights and eats too much,he is not a natural lean 200 pound man,walk around weight for many boxers means 'fat ass weight',not their natural lean comfortable weight.
when toney fought charles willaims at 168 willams looked much bigger than toney,and willams was a lt heavy slimmed down...Toney was not a big man till he started taking roids.
Hatton walks around at 180/190 but he is bloody tiny compared to most welters,even floyd who probably walks around at 150 max is bigger than hatton....
Toneys problem was that he got too out of shape between fights and then left too much weight to be lost too quickly and by questionable means like saunas and dieuretics,etc,not that he was too big for the division or a big man.

 

Dehydration is not the only way to lose weight. That's what I'm talking about.

 

Of course not,you have laxatives as well....
However,when guys gain 17 pounds you have to wonder what they are doing....I would think cutting water is the main and most stupid way boxers use to cut weight quickly....Can you think of any other methods?

 

Food. When they eat an apple the whole day, etc.

 

Yes,but thats quite similiar if not the same as dehydrating. When you dont eat much you lose water weight through urination, natural sweating and lowering the glycogen/water in your body,along with your metabolism consuming the bodys carbs/protein reserves for energy.

 

People handle lack of food much better than they handle lack of water. Even very fit trained sportsmen have about 10% of fat in their body weight, and can get that down to 5-6% without suffering too severely. In case of Jones, according to Mackie Shilstone: "Roy came to me at 192 pounds with 8.7 percent body fat. All we did was change the composition; bring his body fat down to six percent." Ie, there wasn't enough fat either (Toney balooned up by getting fat mostly, not by muscles) for Jones to lose and thus to reduce weight. When you can't lose any more fat and your capacity to dehydrate is limited to maybe 5-6 pounds at best, but when you have to cut 18 pounds, there's nothing else left but to cut muscles.

 

It then depends on how your body has adapated to the 'new muscle'.
I myself was 168 cut when i weight trained years ago,i am now 140 cut with no ill effects,in fact i feel much better without all the extra muscle....