Welcome to the World of Al Haymon

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  1. Beatle

    Beatle Sheer Analysis Full Member

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    No big fights in February until the 27th, when a few European fighters will have a couple of good fights in Germany and England (no thanks to Al Haymon).

    Ever since Al Haymon hijacked a group of good fighters and created the PBC (Public Boxing Crаp), lots of big fights have been blocked from happening, because Al Haymon doesn't like it when his fighters enter the ring against an opponent who has a chance of beating them.

    Nowadays, in most divisions we have a Real Champ (who fights real opposition) and a Haymon Paper Champ (who fights bums). Here are a few examples.

    Heavyweight:
    Real Champ: Tyson Fury
    Haymon Paper Champ: Deontay Wilder

    Light Heavyweight:
    Real Champ: Sergei Kovalev
    Haymon Paper Champ: Adonis Stevenson

    Middleweight:
    Real Champ: Gennady Golovkin
    Haymon Paper Champ: Danny Jacobs

    Welterweight:
    Real Champ: Timothy Bradley vs Manny Pacquiao
    Haymon Paper Champs: Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman

    Super Lightweight:
    Real Champ: Terence Crawford
    Haymon Paper Champ: Adrien Broner

    Featherweight:
    Real Champ: Vasyl Lomachenko
    Haymon Paper Champs: Leo Santa Cruz, Gary Russell Jr.

    In all cases, the Haymon Paper Champ is protected from having to fight the Real Champ. This is why we go a full month with no big fights. If Al Haymon would allow Jacobs to fight GGG, Stevenson to fight Kovalev, Wilder to fight Fury, then I would have no problems with him. Instead, he has created his own boxing world, in which his big names fight overmatched opponents; and the real champs are unable to fight the one guy that every fan wants them to fight.

    Haymon's is a world I don't really care for. It's free, but you get what you pay for.:deal
     
  2. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Good thread, I agree with everything.
     
  3. Super Hans

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    Bradley beating a guy a division below for a vacant title who went life and death with Allakhverdiev makes him the real champ?

    The real champ at Welterweight is Kell Brook
     
  4. Serge

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    Heavyweight:

    Real Champ: Tyson Fury - won all 3 of his titles away in his opponent's backyard
    Haymon Paper Champ: Deontay Wilder - won his belt at home

    Light Heavyweight:

    Real Champ: Sergei Kovalev - won all 3 of titles away in his opponent's backyard/home country

    Haymon Paper Champ: Adonis Stevenson - won his belt at home

    Middleweight:

    Real Champ: Gennady Golovkin - won all his titles away

    Haymon Paper Champ: Danny Jacobs - won his belt at home

    Welterweight:

    Real Champ: Timothy Bradley vs Manny Pacquiao - Pacquiao won most his titles away, Bradley won 1 of his away the rest at home

    Haymon Paper Champs: Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman - won their titles at home

    Super Lightweight:

    Real Champ: Terence Crawford - won 1 of his titles away, the other at home

    Haymon Paper Champ: Adrien Broner - won all 4 of his titles at home

    Featherweight:

    Real Champ: Vasyl Lomachenko - won his title away

    Haymon Paper Champs: Leo Santa Cruz, Gary Russell Jr. - Santa Cruz was born in Mexico not sure if he was raised there though. Won all his titles in the US. Russell won his at home

    James DeGale is one of the few Haymon fighters who has won his title away from home and is willing to travel where everything is stacked against him.

    All those American/American Haymon fighters who fight at home always have American referees and oftentimes 1, 2 or sometimes 3 American judges.

    Also Adonis won his belt of a fighter coming of a loss, via stoppage

    Jacobs won his of a fighter coming off a robbery win against a Euro level opponent

    Garcia should've lost 2 of his last 4 going into his title shot at 147 and he was matched up against an opponent who DID lose 2 of his last 4 and should've been 1-3 in his last 4.

    Broner and his opponent were both coming off loses going into their vacant title shot and his opponent hadn't fought in a year and a half.

    Russell was given a title shot 2 fights after getting his ass whooped in his first one. He earned it by beating a fighter who was 1-2 in his last 3 and was coming of a KO loss.

    Now look at all the non Haymon fighters won their world titles off, most of them were either reigning champs, P4P ranked, undefeated, or coming off wins.
     
  5. Super Hans

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    Welterweight real champ: Kell Brook (won his title in Shawn Porter's garden)
     
  6. Pinkman

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    Kell Brook was tooken deep and almost drowned by Carson Jones, a shift supervisor at McDonald's.
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :yep Haymon sent one of his trannies over to Tenerife to try hack Brook to death with a machete too.
     
  8. Super Hans

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    He was actually cruising until an accidental clash of heads left him with a nose more badly broken than the one that caused Israle Vazquez to quit- in a fight he didn't train for, and he still dug deep and passed a gut check where many would fail. Then he destoyed him in a rematch.

    Still it's not as bad as PED cheat Pacquiao getting his glass chin shattered by city sanitation worker Torrencampo. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  9. Super Hans

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    I always suspected that was someone butthurt off here that he beat Porter. :lol::lol::lol:
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The tranny assassin's ''butt hurt'' after Haymon had his way with her. :lol:
     
  11. rapscalion

    rapscalion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree with everything except the Stevenson paper champ. He definitely deserved to have the ring title stripped for fighting low ranked opposition, but he did beat Dawson for the belt so is still the lineal champ. He is ducking Kovalev though
     
  12. Beatle

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    You can make a case for Brook being the welterweight king based off his win over Porter, but that's his only good win. It's a hard sell.

    Bradley has wins over Provodnikov, Marquez, Alexander, and Rios. Provodnikov is equivalent to Porter, and Marquez is probably close to that. Bradley's resume is much deeper and shows he can beat different styles. I think Brook can beat swarmers but not a good boxer.
     
  13. Beatle

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    Great points I hadn't thought of. It just goes to show how one man can ruin an entire sport by basically kidnapping a large group of athletes and keeping them away from their peers.
     
  14. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    take, took, taken
     
  15. Beatle

    Beatle Sheer Analysis Full Member

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    Yes, Adonis beat a Chad Dawson who had just been weight-drained and knocked out in embarrassing fashion. Dawson basically died inside that night. Andre Ward conned him into taking the fight at 168, and Dawson just wouldn't listen to the people around him who were telling him that it was career suicide.

    We have to stop looking at "lineal", because these days that means nothing. What does it mean? When Cotto beat, the lineal champ Martinez, he beat a "champ" who had been ducking Golovkin for years. Then Cotto ducked Golovkin and lost to Canelo. Now Canelo is ducking Golovkin to fight Amir Khan.

    So "lineal champ" does not mean "real champ". The real champ is the fighter that we fans know has proven himself to be the best.