Well he was old

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  1. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    I'm not saying your performance don't drop but thays nature and even tho your physical ability lessens you have a lifetime of experience
     
  2. DoubleJab666

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    There's a point reached where the physical decline is so profound it outweighs the reservoir of experience built up by a fighter. People talk about fighters 'ageing overnight' for a reason - when watching a boxer who, because of age and subsequent physical decline, can't athletically deliver what that experience informs him he should do.

    The biggest clue is when they can't let their hands go any more due to that split second of delay between wanting to deliver a punch and being able to physically respond to that subconscious instruction. It's called muscle memory and yes, that is the result of years of training. But if the body can't respond as required, that training is rendered relatively meaningless.

    These are elite athletes, executing a ridiculously difficult technical skill. We're talking fine margins and the blurring of those margins can often be down to getting old.

    It's a thing...
     
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  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    At that point you shouldn't be fighting if you are it's on you
     
  4. DoubleJab666

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    Sometimes fighters only find out their body can't deliver during a fight and not before, so it can't be 'on them' until their decline is confirmed in the heat of battle. If they carry on after such a performance then I agree, it's on them. But most fighters don't make a fortune from boxing and it's all they know.
     
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  5. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Is bull ****
     
  6. DoubleJab666

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    Well you ran out of ammo pretty quick. As I assumed, you hadn't really thought this through...
     
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  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    If anyone Beat may or pac you wouldn't give them credit? Both have slown down and are 40
     
  8. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Who would you favored vs may or pac
     
  9. DoubleJab666

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    Really, you're basing your argument around outliers? The exceptions that proof the rule....
     
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  10. It's Ovah

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    I think it's a legit excuse if uttered before the fight, but not after it.

    Lots of people thought Hopkins would spank Calzaghe. After Calzaghe beat him Hopkins suddenly became old. He went on to compete successfully as an increasingly older man for a good number of years, gaining a ton of credit for doing so. Yet you'll still hear people say Calzaghe beat an 'old man'. Can't have it both ways.

    On the other hand, taking on a fighter who's clearly way past it and beating them as expected is no feat, and shouldn't be feted as such. It's all about the prior expectations IMO.
     
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  11. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    What about bhop wlad Foreman
     
  12. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    I give credit where credit is due don't matter if they old if they're still fighting
     
  13. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Eventually you have to pass the torch
     
  14. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Don't forget Loma chocolatito
     
  15. It's Ovah

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    Yeah, that's essentially it. No one deserves special treatment if they choose to compete.
     
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