Well its just over 4 years since Loma..

Todd498 · Dec 19, 2017

mirkofilipovic said: ↑

The Williams Brothers are guys. Serena’s pregnancy is fake as well.
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LooooL!! Well Halle is a female!

“B.. Bu.. But I JUST WANT TO FEEL GOOOOD Doe!!!”

^^^ One of her best scenes Billy Bob took care of business there and rumor has it... they weren’t acting

Todd498 · Dec 19, 2017

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Jess Ennis knows whats up too
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Indeed!

slender4 · Dec 19, 2017

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Yes, it seems like Fernando Beltran is still his promoter.
Nevertheless the problem here is that Berchelt himself is not interested. He lacks that competition spirit — to fight another best just to see who is really the champion.
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minemax said: ↑

Yes, it seems like Fernando Beltran is still his promoter.
Nevertheless the problem here is that Berchelt himself is not interested. He lacks that competition spirit — to fight another best just to see who is really the champion.
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It's weird, I had no idea that Brechelt was with that Mexican group, I assumed he was with DLH. The reason being that Arum and Lomachenko NEVER seem to talk about him but they talk about Davis, who is clearly pre-prime, might never fight at 130 again, and does not even have a title, all the time.

I'm not sure it is Brechelt (only) who doesn't want the fight

minemax · Dec 19, 2017

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I'm not sure it is Brechelt (only) who doesn't want the fight
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Ok, let's pretend Loma is fighting Berchelt this spring. Who would you bet your money on?
Don't think, answer as fast as you can!

slender4 · Dec 19, 2017

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Ok, let's pretend Loma is fighting Berchelt this spring. Who would you bet your money on?
Don't think, answer as fast as you can!
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Chenko. But it's a worthwhile fight that I would want to see, unlike the next one against the Featherweight Uncle Bob drags up for his next fight.

slender4 · Dec 19, 2017

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i hate to break it to you Cro -Cop, but practically every female athlete and yes, every female TV star you lust after is.... A Dude.

It has to do with Satan worship which practically every rich, famous person is into, even in Peru, and I don't want to go more into it here.

But hey, don't say I never gave you anything for Christmas.

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mirkofilipovic · Dec 19, 2017

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i hate to break it to you Cro -Cop, but practically every female athlete and yes, every female TV star you lust after is.... A Dude.

It has to do with Satan worship which practically every rich, famous person is into, even in Peru, and I don't want to go more into it here.

But hey, don't say I never gave you anything for Christmas.

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Shocking!

slender4 · Dec 19, 2017

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Shocking!
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Trust me, you have no idea.

Kevin Willis · Dec 19, 2017

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Well either way I'm fine with it
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LOOOOL!

Serge · Dec 20, 2017

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Scanning back over my posts, I think the closest I came to a rhetorical device were my use of the phrases "midget-beating" (how else to put it?), which I thought was valid criticism of Walters' anaemic ledger, and "guzzle the Kool-Aid", which was to say that I found it unreasonable to expect those who are unconvinced of Loma's upper echelon quality to just accept the conviction of those who are convinced ("a wide range of stylistic opposition winds up looking just as useless vs him as any other" is in the same ballpark as "Floyd would've beaten Margarito anyway so Baldomir is just as good", i.e. useless).

I wouldn't say I found the charge of hating/trolling insulting or offensive, it's just old hat. Which isn't a criticism of you personally, so much as a criticism of the ongoing subculture of online boxing discussion, with groups of fans seeming to be so deeply lodged in these demographically oriented entrenchments as to be unable to process honest criticism as anything but polemic. Viewed objectively, is the following statement really so unreasonable (especially given that we're talking about the consensus current P4P)?

To cite a parallel example and hopefully make my position clearer,

While an admitted critic of Golovkin's run of opposition, I was never among those calling for him to face Lara or even extend a return call-out to him, which I guess would be the equivalent to Loma-Rigo in the case of GGG. Outside of whether Lara was genuine or not, I didn't consider it the kind of fight that would prove anything Golovkin needed to prove re. his assumed greatness, and felt that rising to the goading of Lara and his three fans would have been quite lame in Golovkin's position. To his minor credit, he ignored the catcalls of the 'Cuban boxing school' crowd.

Though I didn't think it was a good fight, I'm not overly concerned with Lomachenko-Rigondeaux individually. A lot of these fights in this string might be given a pass individually. It's the trend they establish over the course of almost four years I'm more critical of. I don't even understand how the type of Lomachenko fan who believes him to be among that most rarefied class of fighter (I'm not saying this is you, as I don't know what your real estimation of him is) can be so satisfied with the last eight opponents. If I'd been an avowed believer in his upper echelon potential, I would now be frustrated with the résumé since Russell.

Lomachenko is not a personal favorite of mine, but I have few currently active personal favorites. If I felt strong aversion to fighters who aren't among that group, I'd be hating on pretty much the entire sport.

I thought I made a point, throughout the discussion, of articulating why I feel a certain type of way about Lomachenko's body of opposition post-Russell. To wit;

I also made a point of applying credit where credit was due for a good, solid win;

In another thread, I was taken to task, not for criticizing Lomachenko's body of opposition through 2014-2017, but for recommending it over Rigo's. My criticism of Lomachenko is relative criticism, and that should be kept in mind. It would be fair to say that I can be a stern and exacting critic. But then again, a great deal is being assumed of Lomachenko on his behalf, by both the industry hypesters and consumers of his product. To restate, if I'd been an avowed believer in his upper echelon potential, I would now be frustrated with the résumé since Russell (in much the same way that certain long-standing Golovkin fans I've corresponded with over the years had grown frustrated and critical of the management of his career by the back end of 2016). I don't think my feelings toward Lomachenko are wantonly or unreasonably negative, I don't feel any particular way about the man.

I think there is a difference, too, between criticising the overall quality of a body of opposition and stating that its quality is solely or largely the fault of the fighter. The two positions aren't mutually exclusive, of course, but it shouldn't be assumed that the latter follows the former.

David Lemieux fans might have a better case for indicting me on charges of hating, as I do have a rather dim view of his abilities and have questioned his fortitudinal quality (especially relative to the type of fighter he is). But even there, I feel my criticisms are valid and demonstrable.

Fair enough, with regard to the Lounge. The term 'racist' (much like the term 'hater') has been washed of all meaning by wanton overuse, so it's not my intention to call that place out for racism as such, but more broadly for its arrested intellectual development and absence of accountability when it comes to the principles of civilized discourse. The soft (combined with the hard) genocide of white people is a demonstrable cultural reality, but would that the best we could mount in terms of an intelligentsia to resist it were the posse of impotent obsessives and mentally feeble, uncivil, dribbling morons in those threads, it would be hard to make a case that we deserved to continue existing. But I guess if there's anything more to be said on that it could go to PM.
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're being sincere. You're new around here, and I'm a naturally mistrustful kind of guy (well at least a little bit lol).

As for how highly I rate Loma. I've been a fan of his since the 2008 Olympics and I've followed his progress since then and when he was the P4P#1 amateur in the world too. So I'm a big fan and I rate him very highly. And we're most definitely not going to be seeing eye to eye regarding him so there's no point debating it.

But feel free to give us a list of names you want to see fight so we have something to hold you to.

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