Welliver Beats Down Mensah, Forces Him To Flee Ring In The 10th

Welliver is a good fighter. I think he can beat a lot of solid guys, however, he struggles more that he should against C+/B- fighters to make me think he could beat a top fighter. At least a top 10 fighter. That could change though and he is improving, so it very well may change.

 

Get real....Calloway, Tauasa, and Mensah are total mediocrities. They are "C" level foes at best, and they are not even real heavyweights. They are overblown cruisers and lightheavies. Chauncy beating up on them says nothing...absolutely nothing at all.

If anything, Chauncy's performances in these fights are stains on his record, because he didn't dispose of them efficiently. That he struggled with Mensah is very, very bad.

However, I've heard that the Chauncy-Monte negotiations are serious. So, if Chauncy beats Monte -- even in a struggle -- that's good for Chauncy, because we know Monte can fight.

Better yet, if Chauncy beats Monte easily, or stops him, that is a superb result for Chauncy, and will give him some legitimacy.

 

Wow dude.

No, but nobody does "for a fact". He's still an undersized volume puncher without much power who doesn't have a lot of upper body movement. How often do those types of fighters do well against guys who have better reach, a decent jab and are able to keep up with their workrate? I can't think of many examples in any weight class.

Yes and no. I've seen 4 or 5 of his fights, but I have not seen any of his fights since the Solis fight other than the Godfrey fight, in which he struggled against a quick cruiserweight who can box a little. The rest is based on what he himself has said, second hand media reports and what some of his sparring partners have said. Unless he's changed his style drastically though, I think I can make a pretty good guess at how he'd do against other guys I've seen a similar amount.

I've seen 5 Aguilera fights, including a live one that wasn't televised at all, and the guy is garbage. He's a sloppy fighter who relies on occasional big punches, has little defense to speak of and fades late in fights. Welliver has better defense and a good chin and is about the same size and has good stamina. It's a no-brainer.

I've seen more than enough of Pianeta to know that he's just awful. He fights in spurts, takes rounds off, seems to have trouble punching anyone with a modicum of defense and gets visibly confused when his opponents move around.

Airich I was probably too dismissive of. He's not as good of a pure boxer as someone like Pianeta, but at least he has gumption.

On what basis am I saying Boswell has lost stamina? He's 42 years old and faded about half way through the Beck fight, before catching a second wind late. I'd probably still slightly favor Boswell.

 

I'll credit you as knowing much more about boxing than me, because you've got a kickass website (you do an awesome job of condensing loads of info...not many journalists could do that). But, with all due respect, I disagree with some of your stated views in this thread.

I was at ringside for Boz-Beck. Boz looked sluggish because he was hopelessly overweight; it was his first fight after a very lengthy layoff. The promoter, Heavyweight Factory, had signed Boz only a few days earlier, and threw him into this fight (with a known easy opponent) to enable him to shake off the ring rust. That's why Boz looked sluggish. Within weeks, though, Boz lost about 15 lbs and was much better conditioned.

Sparring partner reports are interesting tidbits of info, but must be taken with a grain of salt. This is because, in sparring, it's possible that one or both fighters is/are having a shitty day, is hung over, is stoned or drunk, distracted, or god knows what.

I know of several high profile heavyweight fights where one guy whipped the other (even KO'd). Shockingly, in their previous sparring history, the loser of the real fight had put serious beat downs on his eventual conquerer. Just makes me wonder about the integrity of the sparring performances.

As for your perception that Chauncy has a great work rate, I say there's no real evidence to indicate so. That's because Chauncy's demonstrated high workrate has taken place against overweight cruisers and lightheavies who can't defend themselves. Any semi-world class heavyweight could look like Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson against that kind of defenseless opposition.

Put Chauncy in with someone decent who can hit back, and/or elude his punches, and we may find that he is suddenly less willing to let his hands go. Until we see him with better opposition, we just don't know. So I'm skeptical of the workrate thing.

But anyway...I really do believe that Chauncy is stepping up soon, and will fight Monte Barrett. This is great news. If Chauncy wins, I'm on his bandwagon. He'll have passed my acid test, and I will give him 100% respect on this forum.

Monte can fight...so this bout will give us a true measure of who Chauncy is as a boxer.

Just my two cents.

 

From what Monte says on FB......he'd rather get into the fire with a guy like Mitchell for 100K than win a decision over a lesser known opponent for 30K.

Judging soley from his tone during conversations.

 

Good points regarding the work rate. I also hadn't heard all of that about Boswell as to why he looked sluggish then. Anything I say from sparring comes with a huge grain of salt at all times. It's not a real fight, and most people don't treat it like one.

And honestly, you probably know a fair bit more about the heavyweight division than I do. I try to pay as little attention to the weight class as I can. I've just seen a lot of the Euro HWs because for years and years Sauerland, Universum, Arena and K2 have stuck crappy heavyweight fights on the undercards of their cards, and I generally will watch the entire card when I start one.

 

Just to give you one example of what I mean, consider the sparring session that took place between Mitchell and Ibragimov 2 years ago in D.C. They went 4 rounds with helmets and heavy gloves, and Ibragimov allegedly cut Mitchell up so badly that Mitchell's handler ended the session in mid-round. Timur reportedly did the damage with right hands.

This is just one example of how sparring sessions don't yield results that are consistent with what happens in real fights.

 

Regarding Chauncy, here's the good stuff I can definitely say (based on my observations and gossip from gyms).

The dude is a tricky mofo...he'll slap and move, leaving his opponent not really knowing if he's coming or going. He's got fairly good hand speed, and a fairly nice jab. It looks like he can take a punch, and he's bottom heavy (thick in the torso, hips, and thighs), which means he's the sort of guy who'll remain on his feet when hurt or tired.

He can flurry quickly with his hands, and he's got nice footwork. I think he's good at sidestepping, and stepping backwards, which gives him the ability to be elusive without his having to expend energy excessively by motoring and dancing.

As Brick mentioned previously, Chancy does nice defensive work by using his forearms effectively to block punches. He's definitely a survivor. Something else I noticed about Chauncy -- that I liked -- is that he leads with quick, sweeping right hooks to the head. He throws that shot frequently and effortlessly.

A lot of the stuff I describe above is what I saw him do against Solis, who is a top rate talent. So, these things that I'm describing, we know they're genuine skills that, presumably, he will exhibit against other "A" level foes when the time comes to fight on that level.

But he'll need more than these skills to win against world-class and semi-world class opponents. His test against Monte Barrett will tell us if he has the rest of the goods.

Again, I don't think it's necessarily so awful that Chauncy lacks punching power, as long as he can clinch, stall, flurry, and employ tricks to outpoint his opponent.

I really hope the Barrett fight comes off (I'm hearing through the grapevine that it will).

 

Monte is highly regarded as our generations greatest gatekeeper. Odds are that Mitchell would rather KO him than decision or get a t/ko win over Chauncey. Mitchell knows as well as we do that he aint KOing Chuancey and noone looks good against him.


As for the $$$$$$.....I believe I'll defer to Oscar on that one. And Seth is on his way to a K2 before the end of 2013, so Barrett is a definite on his radar as well.:bbb

 

And the winner of a Chuancey vs Barrett fight would be primed for a title shot only if his name weren't monte barrett.

 

True, but we all know you can't miss Seth Mitchell with a right to the head (read my post above about Seth's D.C. sparring). Monte doesn't take the best punch in the world, but he is a mentally gritty mofo. Super tough mentally.

Imagine what an amazing upset it would be if Monte got his right hand off first against Mitchell, and KO's him, or cut him to shreds (like what happened to Mitchell 2 years ago in sparring). Wouldn't that be the upset of the century?

Monte has the balls to do something like that, too.

 

Barrett is WBO #11. So, if Chauncy wins, then he could easily move into the mandatory position, and get a title shot from there.

And, to be fair to Monte "Balls of Steel" Barrett, if he wins, he moves on to some kind of big money fight, because Chauncy is WBC #6 and WBO #10. Amazing that Monte could be back in this position at age 40, but it could happen.

 

15 pages on Chauncy dough boy Welliver...who would have ever thought it?