Welliver Beats Down Mensah, Forces Him To Flee Ring In The 10th

Don't you have a snowman to go and molest?

 

I don't hate Chauncy. I like and respect him. In fact, I've defended him in these forums against morons who don't understand him. Chauncy is a developing fighter: a promsing up-and-coming heavyweight. He's had to learn his craft as a sparring partner in the gyms, and by fighting often in small clubs. That's old school...the way fighters came up prior to the '70s and '80s. I like that. I like to see those kinds of guys surface at the top.

Maybe Chauncy has a future as a top fighter. It could happen.

But until then, he's got to prove himself against solid Tier 2 guys. Until then, he doesn't deserve to be rated above Iggy and Fres, both of whom are genuine top-20 talents that have been sidelined because of bad luck and boxing's dirty side.

Chauncy: nothing personal...but I don't think you're ready for Iggy or Fres. I think they'd both school you.

On the other hand, if Chauncy takes these fights and wins (putting his belts on the line), I will be the first to come out on this forum to praise him for passing his first genuine litmus test.

 

Like I said before, I like Chauncy's old school approach to getting experience and climbing the ratings. When he gets a win over a tough Tier 2 dude, I promise I will throw my support behind him.

I think he showed character and raw ability against Solis. Just needs a couple of tough fights to round himself, pick up a little more polish.

 

ibragimov hasnt beaten anyone to even mention his name...unless we are talking about the nearly 50 year old oliver mccall...and ibrag lost to a former cruiserweight thats almost 40 with no power....he is nothing special and is 37 years old...chauncy would beat him

 

Obviously you didnt watch the fight. It was a boring fight and I thought it was either a draw or Welliver just did enough.

Chauncey wore some real punches early in the fight. Lucky Mensah is not a knockout king or otherwise it was over. But Chauncey came back with some consecutive rounds and then it seemed pretty close.

Just a close boring, rather watch MMA, kind of a fight

 

Before Welliver even steps up to an Arreola he needs to step up to someone else before that...his best win is Calloway....thats not much for someone with 52 wins

he needs to step up to a Walker or Barret first and if that goes ok then he needs to fight two or three other guys on that level...then he might be ready for Arreola

if hes struggling with Mensah he doesn't need to rush into these things

 

Assuming the $30K offer is true, Barrett probably turned it down because he knows he can make bigger purses elsewhere. Monte is marketable now that he's beaten Tua.

Nothing against Chauncy, who I respect as a legitimate up-and-coming prospect, but IMO, Barrett would be too much for him at this point. That's assuming Monte arrives in top shape.

But if Chauncy managed to beat Barrett, that would certainly impress me.

 

Can you make sure that the Mensah fight gets on youtube at the earliest possible moment? I'm talking about the whole fight...every round, and not just the highlights.

I really want to see how Chauncy looks now compared to 2008. I watched the Solis fight again. I'll credit Chauncy for moving his hands nicely. He doesn't feel the impulse to load up on his shots, which I like. He slaps a lot, but that's okay, as long as a fighter puts multiple slapping/slashing punches together in combination (look at the films of '80s lightheavy contender Murray Sutherland for example of how this is done well). He has good defensive manuevering as well.

I don't think Chauncy can punch, but that's not a problem as long as he understands this and compensates by putting his shots together, works the angles well, and and focuses on precision/accuracy (again, check out Sutherland's films). Potentially Chauncy could emulate Adamek in being a heavyweight who doesn't need a punch to win big fights. Time will tell.

I like to see a savvy technical boxer do his thing, punching light, accurately, and often. I'm interested in seeing how much progress Chauncy's made.

From the remarks other posters make here, it sounds like Chauncy didn't do so well in the first 6 rounds of the Mensah fight. I would like to see that, too, to get a better idea of his technical weaknesses (as they exist at this point in time).

An irony here is that Chauncy --- because of his style and lack of big time power -- could get the same snub from big promoters and big TV that Ibragimov and Oquendo got. That's part of the reason why those two ended up on the sidelines, compelled to take whatever fights they could (as opposed to getting a build-up, picking up regional belts, maintaining a perennial top-15 rating, etc).

I don't like the attitude of big TV, in that it snubs the light-hitting distance/tehcnical boxers. I think the public needs to learn to appreciate technical boxers who are heavyweights. But let's see what Chauncy shows in the film. Then I'll have more to say.

 

But McCall, Hoffman, and Singh are bigger names than anyone Chauncy has beaten as of yet. Hoffman was boxrec top-25 and WBA #14 at the time. McCall was boxrec top-25 or top-30 at the time as well. That's why Iggy has perenially been in the top-25, and was even rated in the WBA top-12 in 2010-11.

Regarding the Mormeck fight, the Internet is flooded with reports that Iggy really won. Keep in mind that Mormeck's promoter appointed the judges: figure it out. Earlier that year, those same French officials ripped Oquendo off beyond belief. There are many reports that those same officials robbed Maddalone, too. So, I wouldn't make much of the Mormeck fight.

Anyway, I don't mean this post as a knock on Chauncy, who actually interests me as a fighter. I'm just saying that Iggy is one of several who would be a great litmus test for Chauncy.

 

LOL...I think Barrett was just talking up the fight. He knows how to stir up the public's interest. I wouldn't take the name calling seriously. In the end, Monte and Chauncy are entertainers, just doing their jobs.