Werdum Questions Fedor's Training After Loss

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  1. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRBtyAwic-A[/ame]

    Personally i don't think it's a question of training...Hopefully he'll stay retired...at 34 , it's the perfect timing... Yeah it's a shame especially when he was starting to make some sort of come back with the heel hook at the end of the 2nd round...and who knows...maybe he could've turned the tables in the 3rd....But it's time to retire. No real fan wants to see him follow the sakuraba road.
     
  2. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Last i checked Fedor was stopped because of a bad eye injury courtesy of the ring doctor. Werdum's talking ****.
     
  3. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think training does matter doesnt Fedor still do now what hes done for a long time ?
     
  4. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Fedor does the same and I don't think he has cared much for improving or evolving. He is well rounded and always has been. From day one he was a heavy handed boxer with a good clinch and great grappling. However, this isn't so special now adays and you've even got big ****ers like Reem and Big Foot who are relatively athletic but possessing incredible skill sets.

    Still very suprised that Big Foot did what he did but when you lose you have to analyse what went wrong.
     
  5. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Fedor showed in that loss to Bigfoot that his jiujitsu is not good on his back. He never properly tried to escape the mount.
     
  6. Knight3000

    Knight3000 New Member Full Member

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    How do you properly escape the mount when a guy who has 50 pounds on you is on top?
     
  7. One Punch KO

    One Punch KO Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can't help thinking it's Fedor's will to win that's out of shape.

    But I'd like to see him retire, he's clearly declining, so it's time to take a bow and leave the stage.
     
  8. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Cover and bridge. Prevents the punches from coming down. Then you have to either grab or push off or move your hips and legs on the inside to get back to half guard or full guard.
     
  9. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    No person is the same at 34 as they were in their 20's, but I don't think Fedor has slid terribly far. Fighting comes down to milliseconds, so the slightest drop in speed can make a huge difference. Still, I think his loss to Silva has as much to do with the flaws in his game as it does any diminished athleticism.

    I've heard numerous bjj practitioners and instructors comment on the holes in his ground game. Fedor also carries his hands low, and holds his chin high. You've all witnessed how he often just rushes in with his strikes, which are often wild and crazy.

    Fedor has been able to get away with his flaws because of his physical gifts. Fedor has a great chin, and good speed, that allows him to gamble on rushing in with a huge shot. Fedor is very explosive, and is able to power out of bad situations. Fedor does have skill and technique as well, but it is the way he blends his athleticism with those skills that makes him who he is. Fedor does not have a style that everyone can duplicate. Royce Gracie could not be trained to fight like Fedor and have a lot of success.

    Against the better wrestler, Coleman, Fedor became the submission fighter. Against the superior submission fighter, Nogueira, Fedor over powered him. Against the better technical striker, Arlovski, Fedor found his chin. Fedor had always found a way to compensate for whatever shortcomings he was facing. That is what made him so special.

    I believe Fedor was in shape last night, and was not just a shadow of his former self. He also showed a lot of heart in the 2nd round, and did not hesitate to attack Silva's foot when he thought he had a chance. Fedor is not going to get any better physically from this point on. Fedor is going to have to fix his technical short comings, and adapt his style as his athleticism fades in order to remain at the elite level. If not, he should just retire.
     
  10. Nuke

    Nuke Full Length Member Full Member

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    Looked as though thats what he was trying to do, Silva is a Black belt BJJ with a 50 lb weight advantage. Fedor eventually DID escape and tried his own leglock but it was the end of the round. Fedor did what most if not every other HW in the world wouldn't and that is NOT give up. You my friend are a tool. You have clear and obvious bias.
     
  11. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    This. Its interesting to see the stance "fans" take as though shrugging off a 300lb acromegalic giant who happens to be a black belt in BJJ is just a matter of course.
     
  12. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I thought Silva left the mount to go for the knee bar. I'll have to watch the fight again.
     
  13. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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  14. Theonlyone

    Theonlyone Active Member Full Member

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    He's just pissed that he's no longer the one guy to beat Fedor after all of those years. So he's going to pass off this loss to poor training to make it seem as if his win meant more in comparison.
     
  15. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He brings up good points.
    Fedor's heart not in it anymore. His religiousness made him too passive. During an interview he said that he prefers quite life and the popularity is not for him. I'm afraid this is the last we've seen of Fedor. As great of a natural fighter he is, he simply lacks the fire and motivation needed to evolve.