Were Dempseys gloves loaded?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by dmt, Jun 24, 2009.


  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Just curious to see what the classic forum thinks
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I say "no".

    It's good that the Firpo fight is on film though.
     
  3. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    I think that Dempsey entered the ring in Toledo without gloves so it would be difficult to load them without any suspect
     
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    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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  5. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  6. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    No, The Monte Cox link is the best explanation I have seen for the question of the loaded gloves



    Although I've always questioned Doc Kearns's thinking behind the $10k bet for the 1st rd knockout
     
  7. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe, but Dempsey was blowing people out in 1 or 2 rounds. I think in pre fight, its can stand to reason Dempsey would have a good shot to ko a inactive Willard inside a round.

    After the Fred Fulton fight, I think Kearns belive Dempsey can repeat what he did earlier.
     
  8. PbP Bacon

    PbP Bacon ALL TIME FAT Full Member

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    Very good article indeed.

    I would say not.
     
  9. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    Maybe, he did amass 25 1st round KO's in the run up to the title (still a record in the HW division I believe), but what was there to believe that Willard would fall in 1? Dempsey admitted that he feared for his life in this match, I wonder what Kearns had in his mind to believe that Willard would be Ko'ed in 1? why did he get Dempsey to leave the ring so quickly after he thought Dempsey had won (maybe this was the norm at the time, or maybe the fight films of the time omit a period of time after the end of the first tround that make it seem as though Dempsey left the ring v quickly)
     
  10. pugilist_boyd

    pugilist_boyd BUSTED UP PUG Full Member

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    i think it waS JUST THE GLOVES-WHAT WERE THEY ABOUT 4 OUNCES
     
  11. JimmyShimmy

    JimmyShimmy 1050 psi Full Member

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    5oz Sol Levinson gloves.

    Dempsey loaded his gloves alright - there is a rare picture of him sticking his hands in a cement mixer giggling.
     
  12. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. They weren't loaded...in my opinion.
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Dempsey broke the jaw of a 7' 2in giant Big Ben Wray in sparring he did it with one punch the jaw was broken in two places, over 500 people saw it.
    Dempsey didnt need any help, he hit Bill Brennan so hard, Brennan fractured his ankle going down.
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's virtually no doubt that Dempsey's gloves weren't loaded.

    Btw, I read the book often quoted in Cox's article, A Flame of Pure Fire what an awesome book. I keep thinking they should make a movie about Dempsey, imagine him riding the rails between fights hoping for his next meal.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    They made one a few years ago , with Treat Williams playing Dempsey and Sam Waterston playing Kearns,,not a bad effort.
    the guy I would have liked to see play him was Jack Palance.:good