Were does Usyk rank P4P all time?

If we're talking strictly fighters from the 70s to the modern era now like the other poster was citing I'd have these fighters above Usyk clearly in P4P rankings.

Ali
RJJ
Toney
Mayweather
Holyfield
Pacquiao
Whitaker
Chavez
Hopkins
Hearns
Hagler
Morales
Barrera
Marquez
Duran
Arguello
Nelson
ODLH

Off the top of my head.

 

I once said he was ahead of, or on par with hopkkns, but the zero is not enough. Plus his worshippers glaze over him being 37 (age he last fought). Hopkins still had another great decade lol

He is very skilled and has some Good performances like Gassiev, Aj and Fury 2. But would he have the zero with higher competition? I have my doubts

Either way he just hasn't done enough.
Others have fought in more competitive eras Others have been hit much less
Others have more ranked wins, HOF guys,
Others have more title defences
Others have better plus/minus punch stats
Others have lost less rounds
Etc
Etc

 

I'm just tired of rematches it's Usyk's 3rd rematch against a a British fighter.

Even though I don't like Fury I think he atleast deserved a rematch as the 1st fight vs Usyk was a good one.

Joshua, Dubois, on the other hand got beat comprehensively the 1st time why does Usyk keep having to beat them twice ?

Let's get a new fresh opponent with a different stylistic challenge who's a deserving challenger.

 

How are you including a modern superheavy sized guy in a p4p? Half of what made Lewis great was actually being a good boxer, but the other half was the first half combined with his size and power. Wouldn’t a proper p4p ding him for his reliance on size/reach, and for usually being the bigger guy in the ring?

 

Compare Usyk to Hopkins for example.

Hopkins has 26 world title wins compared to 12 for Usyk.

Hopkins beat I believe like 20 odd ranked fighters ? Usyk has beaten 10.

So for me I'd have Hopkins above Usyk.

 

Usyk is greater than most of them.

Azumah Nelson above him is just comedy. And Marco Antonio Barrera who had losses to Junior Jones, wtf.

 

No he isn't.

Nelson above Usyk is comedy ? So beating the likes of Gomez, Fenech, who are considered greats and winning 19 world title fights which is 7 more than Usyk along with more ranked fighters means its comedy ?

Barrera lost to Jones yes fighters normally have losses when they've fought 75 professional fights.

Barrera is a 3 weight world champion with 26 world title wins which is more than double the world title wins of Usyk.

 

Blanket statement.

 

I must overrated usyk sometimes
He really doesn't have the calibre or numbers

Aj and Fury have been hyped to something they are not and people like usyk, so therefore he is one ogmf the goats. However, his resume doesn't back it up imo

 

Lewis was dominant back in the day. Best HW of the 90s but him being Superheavy size is exactly the reason i don't have him at Top 30 despite having amazing competition. Lewis being the best of that HW era and many considers it as one of the best Heavyweight era of all time.

Usyk in comparison is the best HW of 2020s but this current HW era is not as good as the 90s. Usyk gets points for his CW achievements and considerably smaller fighter in HW like Holyfield. Hence i have him, Holyfield and Lennox are about the same rank in ATG list. imo

 

Usyk gets credit from me for beating Joshua, Fury, because of the size difference and Usyk should get praised for that.

But we don't have to pretend Fury, Joshua, are some great Heavyweights because they clearly aren't.

Fury was talented but didn't fulfill anywhere near what he first promised and is past his prime now due to his terrible lifestyle outside the ring.

Joshua who I'm not a fan of hasn't been the same since getting bounced around the ring against Ruiz he seems to be in two minds on what style he wants to use now.

For me Fury falls into the same category as Bowe except Bowe has a win against an ATG in his prime vs Holyfield but both fell short due to their bad habits outside the ring.

Joshua for me is on the same level as Bruno except Bruno didn't get the same opportunities as Joshua in regards to beating a sub par opponent for the title aka Charles Martin.

Bruno was having to face the likes of Tyson, Witherspoon, Lewis, which is a big difference. Give Bruno the same opportunities as Joshua and he would carve out a very similar career.

 

Great post and I fully agree
I think Bruno would have been a long reigning champ if he fought in the Wilder/fury/aj era

 

Barrera made his pro debut aged 15 and lost 7 times. The differences in his moving up in weight divisions is minimal in comparison to the amount of weight Usyk had to go up by. Usyk would never in a million years have any losses to fighters of Junior Jones' level.

Nelson turned pro aged 21. and lost 6 times and drew twice. He had losses and draws against Jesse James Leija! And got dominated by Fenech (robbery). Usyk sure wouldn't be losing to fightes of Leija's level , or be being dominated by anyone!

Usyk turned pro late aged 26, after completing the entire Amateur game. To then do the same thing as a pro, complete the entire game undisputed at both Cruiserweight and Heavweight. Fought the best non stop without not lose a single fight. Whilst having a massive weight disadvantage, and being the away fighter always whilst his country is at war. He's a boxing genius who's been 100% succesful, without no ifs or buts or excuses. He's even his late 30's now and past prime, and still looking unbeatable.

Whilst those two are great fighters, they are not phenomenal like Usyk.

 

Top 10 - Became undisputed CW when CW division was the best it's ever been and since. Became undisputed champ in the third best HW era after Ali/Fraser/Foreman and the Lewis/Hollyfield area.

A top 3 HW of all time behind Ali and Lewis.

 

Amateur achievements have got nothing to with how you're rated as a professional.

You said it was comedy that I rated Nelson above Usyk but yet he's actually beaten fighters who are considered great and competed against ATGS unlike Usyk and has more world title wins and more wins vs ranked fighters.

Barrera as I've already said had 75 professional fights so he's bound to lose a few I don't know why you're so fixated on a single loss many ATGs have losses. The fact Barrera was able to rebound from the loss to Jones and have the career he had adds to his greateness. Barrera is a 3 weight world champion with over double the amount of world title wins as Usyk.

Each fighter has a very reasonable case to being above Usyk you can disagree which is fine that's your opinion but my case still stands and its not unreasonable to rank those fighters above Usyk.