Were does Usyk rank P4P all time?

Would you put AJ closer to Bruno than Fury then?

 

AJ had a better career than Bruno but I think Joshua had easier opportunities than Bruno had.

For example if you pit Joshua in the same timeline as Bruno he would pretty much have the same wins/losses as Bruno because Joshua isn't beating Witherspoon, Lewis, Tyson.

Facing the likes of Charles Martin for a belt is a world of difference than facing a prime Tyson or Lewis for a title.

 

Interesting you think that.

I think Bruno gets a little bit underrated though.

 

I think Joshua/Bruno have some of the same issues.

Both can gas.

Both are too stiff.

Both look like a deer in the headlights when they get caught.

Bruno has a better a jab than Joshua and more potent straight right hand.

But Joshua is a better combination puncher and a bit more mobile.

Not much to choose between them and a H2H match up could go either way depending on who lands first.

 

Voted Top 50 because its a safe bet but it could def be higher.

I actually think Inoue has the most potential to climb historical rankings. If he gets unified/undisputed in a 3rd weight class...he's going to be a 4 weight champ and three weight undisputed. Remarkable stuff.

 

Yes, but I don't agree with Greg Price, and it is not what you said anyway. These guys have to beat the guys that will get them rankings and maintain their rankings, not not who a magazine says he should fight.

He beat AT LEAST 8 contenders. That is all.

And by the way, given his long history of being ranked, I don't think it is fair to call Chisora a "fringe contender." He actually has a pretty unique legacy at this point.

Cunningham is not one of the guys I am citing, because he was not ranked when Fury beat him, but he did indeed become a ranked contender after he beat Mansour. He also should have got the wins against Adamek and Glazkov.

 

This simply isn't true. I was once a fan of Fury, but soured on him heavily when he lost to Ngannou by being fat, and fought Chisora a third time instead of Usyk. His legacy is a bit less than great, but he could still get there if he comes back and gets a good win or two. A win over Joshua, even after it is an important fight, would probably seal it.

I just tell the truth. The fury haters are wrong, and the Fury fanatics are wrong. His legacy is right there is guys like Patterson, Norton, Joshua, Bowe, Schmeling, Walcottt, Vitali, as guys who did some big things but didn't boss their era. Whether he is on the just-barely great side, like Patterson, or the didn't get there, like, say, Tim Witherspoon, time will tell.

 

Again, these guys have to beat the guys that earn and maintain them rankings, not who a magazine says. It is a completely absurd rejection of reality.

And I like you and Dynamicpuncher a lot as posters. No hate here. But we have to be real about who these guys are fighting and why.

Fury's record stands at pretty good, a couple of wins away from great.

 

His legacy is rubbish bar coming back from obesity and beating wlad

Nothing special about beating Fury. Ngannou and mcdermott both beat him and he needed to fight dirty to beat cunningham. I rated him more than Joshua but his resume sucks. All hype and little substance

 

I like you aswell no hard feelings I'm just trying to tell you mate that most posters here reference Ring Magazine when judging how many ranked fighters a certain fighter has beaten.

If you don't then that's fine but I don't think the way you do in regards to using sanctioning bodies to gauge how many ranked fighters a fighter has beaten.

Regardless I do think Fury has a poor resume in regards to having no real depth or filler.

His top 2 wins are fine but then everything after that is really void of much depth or quality to be quite honest.

 

....or McCall....Prime Bruno blasts AJ out within 6 rounds. Same MO as Daniel, AJ gets hit by that thudding jab and starts thinking about reasons to lose. Whilst he is thinking about this, Bruno gives him many, many reasons to lose and he ends up unconscious.

 

He didn't. It's not possible to make an argument for him beating 8 top 10 heavyweights. 3 or 4 can be reasonably argued but beyond that you don't have a case.

Nobody gives Mike Tyson credit for beating the likes of Savarese or Mathis Jr so why are people trying to credit him for beating fighters of similar ability accomplishments. I can only guess it's because of how poor his resume actually is

 

Usyk is a glorified midget beating titans, monsters, gods of war.....

There is no comparison, Usyk is a higher bieng. P4P is an insult to him. He is greater than a silly made up term.

 

He beat 8 top ten ranked fighters. Period.

 

We'll leave it at that, then. Cheers.