Were Taylor and Prograis always overrated or have they just past their prime?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Chitown, Dec 10, 2023.


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  1. They were past it and their performance before the fights with Teo/Haney supports this

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  2. They were overrated and the division has just gotten more talented with better fighters

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  1. Chitown

    Chitown Active Member Full Member

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    When they fought or after they fought many considered Taylor a top 5 if not top 3 P4Per and Prograis was considered one of the best himself.

    Fast forward 4 years and both got absolutely pulverized and outclassed by 2 LWs who moved up. Teo and Haney are obviously talents but there was writing on the wall

    Taylor - was a massive -1000 to -1400 favorite against Catterall. Most didn't expect a contest and Taylor walked away with a robbery

    Prograis - was a massive -1200 favorite against Zorilla. Most expected Prograis KO... Yet he walked away having tasted the canvas with a split decision some thought he lost.

    I don't think it was a coincidence 2 of the brightest stars got these 2 after these 2 performances... So that begs question were they past it or were they just overrated and talent in division just got better? Not just those 3 but would you be confident in Taylor or Prograis over Matias?
     
    Chitown, Dec 10, 2023
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  2. smoking mirrors

    smoking mirrors Active Member Full Member

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    Teo and Haney are clearly better, but Regis and Taylor were very good champs who suffered from being inactive and messed around after their big fight. it was a long time ago now.
     
    smoking mirrors, Dec 10, 2023
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  3. No_name_tard

    No_name_tard Active Member Full Member

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    Taylor was never deserving of a P4P ranking.
     
    No_name_tard, Dec 10, 2023
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  4. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When fighters lose it isn't always because they are past prime or suddenly got old overnight. Sometimes someone just comes along who is better than them.

    Clearly Haney is better than people want to give him credit for.
     
    like a boss, Dec 10, 2023
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  5. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Teo fought a drained Taylor who looked shite against imo Catteral who isn’t even that good.

    Haney looked big against a Prograis who looked trash in his last fight.

    Its clear these guys are picking their fights carefully
     
    MismatchHypejob, Dec 10, 2023
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course it's mismatchhypjob

    Haney will get ZERO CREDIT for overcoming a 140lb top guy

    Teo will get ZERO CREDIT for overcoming a 140lb top guy

    Only Loma gets credit for losing
     
    MarkusFlorez99, Dec 10, 2023
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  7. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    You’re a straight up hypejob ball rider. Lame
     
    MismatchHypejob, Dec 10, 2023
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  8. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Always overrated & i had stated that claim before either man looked bad and/or lost, i never really knew what people saw in them two even more so in Taylor,

    Josh's fight with Ramirez would have shown you things in that fight that others would overlook & totally miss even though it was a good win for him.
     
    box33, Dec 10, 2023
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  9. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I rated Taylor highly but since his big win over Ramirez he’s looked absolutely bang average and I think the division has simply got a lot deeper. Him and Prograis are not on the level of Lopez, Haney, or even Matias.
     
    KINGWILDER, Dec 10, 2023
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  10. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    How can you lot completely downrate Taylor/Prograis given the condition they were in Teo/Haney fought them in?

    you guys really oblivious to context?
     
    MismatchHypejob, Dec 10, 2023
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  11. makzy

    makzy Member Full Member

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    140 has always been trash. It is sandwiched between two of the most prestigious and most competitive weight divisions in boxing. It is usually where boxers who can't make it at lightweight or welterweight go to hide.
     
    makzy, Dec 10, 2023
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  12. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I've been ages saying that Taylor and Prograis are ridiculously overrated.
     
    chacal, Dec 10, 2023
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  13. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Like wise. People focus too much on belts rather than what they see in the actual ring. Just because Taylor was undisputed does not necessarily mean he was some great fighter. There are other examples of this in the past like Spinks jnr and Jermain Taylor.
     
    tarrant45, Dec 10, 2023
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  14. Chitown

    Chitown Active Member Full Member

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    Kambosos lol
     
    Chitown, Dec 10, 2023
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  15. venbox

    venbox Active Member Full Member

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    I think they both met their match.
     
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