Were Taylor and Prograis always overrated or have they just past their prime?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Chitown, Dec 10, 2023.


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  1. They were past it and their performance before the fights with Teo/Haney supports this

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  2. They were overrated and the division has just gotten more talented with better fighters

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  1. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Taylor was the worst champ in recent history.
     
  2. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Pryor was the greatest 140 pounder.
     
  3. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Taylor`s got no power and Teo wwas slicker and quicker.
     
  4. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think a bit of both. Both probably slightly past prime but the division was weak when they were top dogs
     
  5. TipNom

    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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    They were/are for sure elite fighters at 140, but people badly overrated them purely because of their dislike for guys like Haney and Teo. One could argue that Taylor had declined a decent bit due to weight cuts, but Prograis literally scored his career best win against Zepeda just last year.
     
  6. No_name_tard

    No_name_tard Active Member Full Member

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    No, Cervantes was.
     
  7. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Crawford imo.
     
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  8. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This excuse hasn't been used for Spence now has it
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    The excuse maker is right on cue. Lmfao!
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Firstly, neither Teofimo and even more so Haney who is clearly a natural 147/154 pounder and the biggest weight bully in the sport no exaggeration were ever 135 pounders. They were gigantic weight bullies at that weight and looked like the living dead on the scales whilst their much smaller or way smaller opponents looked nowhere near as bad or the picture of health and identical to how they did in the ring.

    A former Ring magazine journalist said they have been told by numerous reputable sources within the trade that Haney has missed weight a number of times and it has been covered up. He's taken to hiding behind shades and hoodies for the official weigh ins now even though they're private ones behind closed doors, including his 140 debut the other day, because of how skeletal he looks and I strongly suspect due to his longtime involvement with disgraced PED guru Victor Conte he might be using certain illegal substances or methods to help him get down in weight that low,


    With the exception of Taylor vs Teofimo the former of whom also became a weight bully after leaving McGuigan, when Haney and Teofimo moved up to 140 they were still much bigger, bigger or at worst the same size as their opponents.

    The same goes for massive weight bully Crawford who spent most of his career being the much bigger or bigger man (heavier) and literally always having the reach advantage even at his second and third weight, often, as with weight, a huge or significant one

    Even in his third weight class he's at worst the same size as his opponents and is a big 147 pounder. He's complaining of difficulty making 147 now and looks drained on the scales, in his third weight class for goodness sake! Not once has have he ever looked undersized at that weight because he isn't at all and if he has given away weight once of twice it sure as hell ain't by much

    Kambosos beat Teofimo, the same Kambosos who lost in everyone's eyes to Maxi Hughes and who could only scrape by a well past prime 35 y/o terribly inactive Mickey Bey who had only fought once in 3.5 years and a past prime career 126 Lee Selby on SDs. Kambosos dropped Teofimo too

    Teofimo also lost to Sandor Martin in most people's eyes, including getting dropped twice

    So let's not act like Teofimo is unbeaten or wouldn't have 2 losses too, even worse both of which in his backyard where everything was stacked heavily in his favour, with a home ref and three home judges.

    And he was dropped three times in those fights and not by hard punchers either even though he was a lot bigger than Kambosos and probably bigger than Martin too. Do those losses undo all his achievements?


    Look at how hyped to hell Spence was and how much credit Crawford gets for beating him. Why? Why? Why exactly? Spence forged an entire career beating up on career 140 pounders, featherfists, career 140 pounder featherfists and in all that time he only fought 2 career 147 pounder champions and he went life and death against both of them.

    And he's fought very few legit punchers, especially ones his size whose power at 147 was actually a thing.

    He'd literally never proven he could put in a dominant performance against a career 147 world champion his own size and his chin, as I told you for years, is clearly shaky. Hence why he kept getting hurt and spitting out his mouth piece by light to average punchers. I told you he would get exposed when he fought a legit puncher at 147 his size or close to it and look who was right again?

    Taylor beat up two of Spence's best wins in the gym when he was a 7-0 novice in Porter and Ugas, the former of whom its no secret he beat the hell out of and the later of whom he dropped and sent to the hospital with a damaged jaw. But these are only sparring stories, right? Hmm.. funny how sparring mattered when Spence was being hyped like crazy for his sparring sessions with Broner and Floyd, eh? Those sparring stories were a huge part of the reason why he was hyped so heavily and he was ranked top #10 P4P by The Ring after being a damaged goods Brook FFS and many of his idiot fans had him ranked #1 even though he had no right ever being ranked #5.

    It seems like there is a different set of rules for fighters from certain parts of the world and a completely different set for everyone else and there are many more examples of this in this very post, both above and below :lol:

    Crawford is another one who has barely fought any legit punchers at all, let alone ones his size (if I'm wrong, prove me wrong? You can't because I'm right) and he has 40 freaking fights. What happened the only time he fought one his size in Egis? He got dropped and Egis is C level

    I also told you that Crawford would duck Super Boots like he had leprosy after beating Spence and yet again I was right.

    God forbid he should have to fight another legit puncher his size for the second time in his career or an athletic phenom who can match him him for reach for literally the first time in his career as opposed to all those C level non-athletes and leprechaun featherfists or average punchers he forged an entire career bashing up. His resume is weak as hell for a 40 fight vet supposed P4P#1 and you all know it :facepalm:
     
  11. Mark Anthony

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    I think Aaron Pryor was one of those guys that was super close to top 5 all time great, but needed a FEW little things.
     
  12. No_name_tard

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    Yeah, I can't agree with that. He never was anywhere close to top 10 ATG level, even as a talent his potential was never in that category.
     
  13. HolDat

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    This is exactly why boxing is trash. Now everyone acts like both were terrible all along. Fans are just as worst as promoters.
     
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  14. Serge

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    Another fighter with the exception of a couple of great wins with a crap resume who gets insanely overrated by virtue of the fact of their passport

    And even worse he clearly cheated like crazy against his best ever opponent. Arguello was an absolute gentleman of the highest order and it's disgusting and sickening in equal measure how he was robbed of a huge huge part of his legacy by that cheat. But to add insult to injury Pryor also gets a free pass for jumping in a car at the start of the race and driving to the finish line and winning it the coward's and cheat's way while Arguello run the race the right and honorable way on foot.
     
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  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's interesting no one, and I mean no one was calling Prograis over rated until he got completely dominated last night.
    Haney is a level above him that's all
     
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