Were the fighters that beat De La Hoya better P4P than him in his prime at his prime weight?

First of all i dont think anyone believes that Oscar was as good as Mayweather or Pacquiao ...those are top 40 atgs..losing to them shouldn't be held against him.And he was past his prime ..he came down to meet Pacquiao at a catch weight

 

The Trinidad fight is a controversial fight that a lot of people felt he won (just like Canelo and GGG)

 

I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that Trinidad was better from watching that fight ...or because he finished off more fighters...Trinidad was more of a puncher ,Delahoya was more of boxer . Thats like saying Hearns is better because he knocks out more people than Ray leonard

 

I would rephrase the question in the title, so that it makes more sense. I am not sure that you are being harsh, but perhaps simplistic, yes.

Is Oscar greater than Pea? Most including myself say no. Yet, Oscar won. Some say robbery but since we are reviewing that fight this week everyone has scored DLH, not one Pea card yet. Now Pea was past prime, and needs to be factored in as well.

Mosley and Trinidad are interesting because greatness can be debated among them. And the outcomes like Pea are debatable.

Oscar fought Floyd post prime to a SD! Not a UD! And I had Oscar up on my card although I appear to be in minority on that. Either way Pea is greater but Oscar gave a good account of himself.

What fights could he have done better in? Not sure? I think if he had fought smarter against Trinidad he may have officially won what many think he did. Outside of that I think he always gave his best and was what he was. The Tito fight is the only one I ever questioned his gonads in!

 

Oscar is a top 100 Atg ....in my opinion ...i would rank him than GGG ( who also lost to the best fighter he ever faced). He wasn't the best ever...but you had to be great to beat him

 

I believe prime Oscar beats Floyd who was prime in their contest. He ran him very close and was obviously post prime. But I believe it’s more to do with his physical gifts in height and reach and sound technical ability than his ring Iq which was not as good as Mayweather’s.
De La Hoya did not possess a great ring IQ or great Stamina. But he had many other great attributes.
Whitaker was better fighter. Trinidad was not. Floyd had better career but I believe Hoya beats him at their best

 

Yes, you are being harsh.

Oscar was a great fighter.

His fights with Shane were close, he beat Tito but was foolish, he was faded when he pushed Floyd all the way and he was ill against Manny.

 

The point is a fighter with more knockouts is not necessarily better than a fighter with less knockouts...dont you agree?

 

Hopkins is a better fighter pound for pound. Trinidad and Delahoya are about even. Mosley has 2 wins over delaoya but that is just about his entire resume

 

I think Trinidad was a better fighter and obviously objectively Mayweather, Pacquaio and Hopkins were far better. I feel Mosley’s peak is better than Oscars but his career isn’t.

The way I look at Oscar is that he looked devastating at 135-140 partly because he was so much bigger and often faced old guys. When the playing field was leveled he was good enough to compete but not enough to separate himself. I felt Whitaker edged him, Quartey too. I scored the Tito fight a draw but it was Oscars fight for the most part. He was soundly beaten by Mosley.

The only weight he unified was at 154 but he also didn’t fight the guy who was #1 (Wright) in the division and Vargas was borderline shot already IMO so that’s a mark against him. Trinidad unified and was #1 at both 147 and 154 so he deserves extra credit for that in addition to a long reign with 15 defenses.

Oscars career was a lot of big fights but no long reigns, not really distinguishing himself as #1 in the weights he fought and a lot of close fights. He’s an arguable great IMO.

 

If you feel like Whitaker beat DLH why didn’t/don’t you post a card in that thread. So far not 1 Whitaker card and the closest is DLH by 3. Whitaker gets more robbery calls than any fighter I see. But outside of the Ramirez fight I don’t see him robbed in his other loses or draw. Whitaker fans are the modern day GGG fans. (Not meaning you by the way)