What a rotten decision last night...

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  1. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wyong Leagues, Luxford v Cerniza.

    Majority dec win to Luxford. He won one round...the 3rd. Cerniza knocked him down in the last round (4th, a big knock down) and had him on !@@%+ street with about 30 secs to go, Luxford hanging on for dear life. It was a 4x 2 min rd contest.

    This needs mentioning. The fight was originally scheduled for 6 x 3's. At catchweight 65kg. Last Tuesday we learn it is a 4 round contest and it is now at 69kg. A 4 kg jump because Luxford can't make 65kg. I guess if you can't make weight, just add 4 kg. That'l do it.

    It gets better. When we arrived last night, we are told it is now 2 minute rounds. Why? Because Luxford wanted it as he was concerned about his fitness level.

    Worth mentioning...

    I'm told Cec Perkins, scored the last round 10-9 for Cerniza. I know one judge scored it 10-8 for Cerniza. Why didn't Perkins? What do you have to do to get a 10-8 round? Cerniza was winning the round at the point of the knock down anyway. It wasn't like Luxford bashed him and got caught with a luck punch. That is just so far from the truth it's ridiculous.

    Craig Waller said he can imagine that Perkins had them even at 10-10 and then AFTER the round had completed, he rightfully deducted a point for the kd, to make it 10-9 Cerniza. Does that sound right? regardless...Cerniza was winning the round, so it's a bad card anyway. I was told the ringside doctor commented that it was the worst decision he had seen in 25 yrs of boxing. I was told personally by a long time am ref/judge, with over 7000 fights officiating that it was one of the worst decisions he had seen. He said it was a 10-8 round, no question, and Cerniza won by three points on his card.

    If this comes across as sour grapes or a rant, ahh well, so be it. But this bull**** needs to be heard. A complete an utter disgrace and an insult to Jurland Cerniza.
     
  2. Phil Austin

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    what did the other judge score the last round PJ?
     
  3. flamengo

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    This wouldn't be tolerated in QLD.....
     
  4. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure Phil. I'm getting the scorecards off Waller on Tuesday.

    Phil, can you shed some light on the scoring aspect, in particular the notion that a judge could score the round even, then deduct the point for the kd as a separate calculation (Wallers speculation of what may have happened although I was told of Perkins explanation for his scorecard which is something completely different)

    So that means a 10-8 rd can only go to a fighter winning the round, no matter how narrow. In other words, in a case where fighter A is losing a round by the barest of margins, even if he scores a knock down and has fighter B out on his feet and hanging on...he can only win the round 10-9?
     
  5. Phil Austin

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    In the words of Leo Getz: "OK, OK, OK, OK. OK OK OK!"

    In Australia the standard ruling is you get one point and one point only for a knockdown.

    Thus if fighter A is winning the round and scores a knockdown over fighter B he wins the round 10-8

    However this throws up many different scenarios if the action is the other way. For instance Fighter A is winning the round and just before the end of the round fighter B knocks down fighter A but has no chance to follow up on his advantage before the bell rings it would be a 10-10 round. If fighter B who has been losing the round before the knockdown gets a chance to follow up his advantage following the knockdown he should be awarded the round 10-9. Please remember that the round is scored over the full 3 minutes (or 2 in this case) and you can't just focus on the knockdown and what may follow. If the other bloke was up at the time of touching down his work up to that point still deserves to be recognised.
     
  6. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sure many a judge has erred (???) in scoring a 10-8 rd to the fighter who scores the kd, with the exception of a scenario where that fighter was getting beat up for the majority of the round. Here, you have stated that a fighter only has to be "asumed" to be leading a round before being knocked down for the round to be scored 10-9, not 10-8 in his opponents favor. I find it hard to get my head around that.

    It's interesting. Because they way you put it (not knocking), the knock down is not factored in when a judge scores a round. It is a completely separate calculation that comes upon completion of the round. It's one point. Nothing else. Yet every other intangible used for scoring is calculated over the course of 3 minutes (or two minutes in this case).


    SCENARIO 1:

    Fighter A is just shading Fighter B by the barest of margins. With 30 secs to go, Fighter A is dropped by a booming right hand and staggers to his feet. He is almost out but hangs on to finish the round, still in a groggy state.

    Score card: Fighter B 10-9.


    SCENARIO 2:

    Fighter A just shades fighter B by the barest of margins over the course of the round. Very close round, not much in it.

    Scorecard: fighter A 10-9.


    So two very similar scenarios, with the exception of a knock down and possible fight ending experience...yet the scorecards are exactly the same.

    That doesn't sound right. (not saying you are wrong Phil, you know it better than me or anyone else)
     
  7. Phil Austin

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    Good God, PJ that almost sounds like respect from you LOL. Please remember that under Australian rules the knockdown is exactly that as you have said. Also a possible fight-ending experience is not part of the scoring criteria. If the scenario you mentioned is for an example an IBO world title fight, it's 10-8 which I don't agree with. Automatic 10-8's take the science out of judging
     
  8. ipswich express

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    PJ, I think it sounds like it's worth getting hold of the footage and putting it up on youtube. The fact the Doc says it's the worst in 25 years speaks volumes...
     
  9. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We are getting a copy of the fight Ippy. Probably order it tomorrow. Then I'l see about getting it uploaded on the net.

    The fact Angelo Hyder (Luxfords promoter and trainer) came in to the room and said Cerniza won the fight says somethign too. :)
     
  10. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That my friend, is usually a good indicator. Sounds to me like you gotta get the boys fighting north of the border ;)

    I've seen some terrible decisions in NSW over the years.
     
  11. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm hearing that line more and more mate by people who have their finger on the pulse.

    I think it's a valid point. Get to Mansfield Tavern for Cerniza's next one mate and get him a win :)
     
  12. perfect jet

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    So different interpretations of the 10-8 score and knock downs depending on who's who in the zoo. Interesting. I assumed it was all standardised across the board.

    When does Ruiz arrive Phil? any word?
     
  13. Phil Austin

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    clears customs 1 hour before weigh-in LOL. Mate we will talk after the weigh-in have heard a bit about something... don't wanna say much here
     
  14. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cool. Fight still on though? please say yes.
     
  15. Phil Austin

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    I can easily say yes to that. Visa was approved, just awaiting travel arrangements for myself and Steve Marshall which would have been done yesterday except Pat was too busy with the run-in to last nights show