What All Time Greats do you think Wlad Klitschko would beat?

h2h is only part of ranking fighters.

canera and willard were both legit world champions, wlad is nothing but a title holder.

 

Did Carnera and Willard box in a less skilled manner than their contemporaries are criticized as doing?

 

I understand The US is not most of the world, I understand that, but if you watched showtime or HBO especially in the last 5 years they all make negative comments about the heavywieght division. I wasnt around 40 years ago, but I have watched alot of fights from that time on. Im not sure where your live, but where I live the gay ufc is starting to over shadow boxing and I partially blame the heavywieght division for that.

 

You can make it part, all, or no part of ranking fighters to suit your bias or desired outcome. I'm making claims based on unadjusted (size) h2h - which is what most would say this thread was using as the criteria.

Different era - Primo & Jess might qualify as sparring partners for a Wlad in this era.

We used to have 3-6 channels on the boob tube and no internet. Times change. I doubt Carnera & Williard could sniff a belt today. Is that your point? :rofl

Anyway, it seems I've been taking on 3-5 Wlad/current era HW haters with limited support. Frankly I can't blame the current HW era supporters. This is getting boring. The Lewis and Wlad type HWs would easily beat most "HW" champs of the past and even most of the 80s fighters. If Dempsey or Ali were fighting today would they single handedly change the business of pro boxing? That is, would they eliminate the 4 main orgs by themselves? You're dreaming.

 

Size is important but Wlad being big doesn't automaticly make him the favorite over ATG Joe Frazier whos only KO loss was to arguably the hardest puncher ever in a horrible style matchup.

 

Are we talking about accomplishment or ability to win face by face?

 

ATGs such as Mike "Hercules" Weaver, Randall Tex Cobb, "Boogie Man" Jesse Ferguson and Rocky Balboa.

 

The same Dempsey that fought Willard would destroy Wlad, Dempsey was only 6'0 190 and would pressure Wlad and get to the the ropes and unload. Wlad has the weakest chin of any heavywieght champ aside from Floyd Patterson but was he more of LightHeavywieght in size. When Wlad is hit hard he panics for what ever reason, and for anyone whos think Dempsey would hit Wlad with anything big are fooling themselves.

 

Of course not. It's not sure than even Lewis can take Frasier out...but i bet to Lewis, because of his size advantage and not his better skills..same think is compare him fight with Roy Jones

 

What George Foreman and Larry Holmes achieved during their 40s in this era proved that theory wrong. Foreman and Holmes were both shells of their former selves but yet managed to be elite fighters against guys like Mercer, Shannon Briggs, Holyfield, Moorer, McCall, etc.

 

Klitschko merely exploits a weak division. A man with so little interest in fighting would be blowout by a real fighter.

 

I think its not about Klitschko. Every Top3 HW out of the last 20 years would be favourite over all the pre war champs, due to the simple fact, that these guys were mostly 180-190 lbs. boxer with a complete different boxingstyle than nowadays. Another point is, that today guys like Lewis, Tyson and Klitschko are complete athletes with much better nutrition, training technics and all that stuff than 80 years ago.

The first HW in history which would be really interesting IMO is Liston. After Liston the champs were at least aboove 205-210 lbs. and with a modern boxingstyle.

 

Fighters of todays generation werent as tough, if **** gets too rough in the ring for them they either quit or fall so many times they force the ref to stop the fight, Size matters but not as much as some people think. I will always favor a guy whos mentally tough and lacks size over a guy whos big and not mentally tough. Tyson is not mentally tough, and Wlad is extremely mentally weak, Lewis was a little shakey in the mental department as well.

 

lewis mentally weak? got back in the ring with the two guys who had defeated him, came out on top of real fights like briggs, mercer and vitali. lennox was far from mentally soft. lazy at times yes, but this is something completely different to what you suggest.

 

He was the stronger of the 3 mentally, and him not wanting to fight Vitali in a rematch made me question his heart a bit.