What All Time Greats do you think Wlad Klitschko would beat?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    But he started out as a middleweight, and shouldn't have been higher than the lightheavyweight division. He had to eat large amounts of food and weightlifting like crazy to sustain that sort of weight, whereas guys like Liston were dieting and still weighed 214.
     
  2. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be fair i'm not sure about wlad and vitali as i don't think they have proved enough to say they could beat gerorge but lennox most certainly has.
     
  3. Sakura

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    Byrd look quite normal in that weight...
     
  4. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I also remember Tyson making this comment on HBO in 1989 during a Julian Jackson fight, " Damn he punches harder than most of the heavywieghts I fought". I believe jackson was around 160 at that time, when you throw a punch its about technique not size, I seen guys at my gym 160 punch as hard as the heavywieghts we have as well. If size matters that much you would have guys like Butterbean and that reject Sapp ruling the heavywieght division, size only matters a little bit not much.
     
  5. Sakura

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    But best cruiser against wlad now and you see how much it marks...
     
  6. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes.

    Ringo was what, 5'11' tops. I know he had wide shoulders, etc. Still, even though the guys you note are not much bigger (of course the 3 you left out are much bigger) than OB, they are still bigger with at least equal skills. Why 20 lbs? I'm just making OB about 10% bigger - another 1-2" in height and reach wouldn't hurt either.
     
  7. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye, Ding, Mormeck could easily put Wlad to sleep, its not like these guys cant pop as hard as heavywieghts. Wlad has no chin, almost any fighter that lands solid on Wlad could put him on ***** street.
     
  8. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    David haye and ding punch harder than most heavyweights, wouldn't say that about mormeck though, good power but nothing special.
     
  9. Sakura

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    So, lets make fight!!!!they don't see round 4 in my bet...if i tell you something, almost every pro boxer can make another one's sleep...series don't count necessary...but it is much more difficult to make your hit to target and that way that it's effective.
     
  10. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    David haye is 6'3 is fast and has good boxing skills, if he beats mormeck you might see this fight pretty soon.
     
  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    According to his own testimony, he was eating and weight training like there was no tomorrow. I'm not saying he was fat--just that he was doing his utmost to weigh a lot more than he usually would.
     
  12. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By that chin standard, neither did Louis or Lewis. But Joe and Lennox did pretty good in their eras :tong

    Any good punching fighter near 200 lbs that catches a fighter 250+ lbs flush can put them on ****** street.
    Give us another "insight" :roll:

    * Btw, you very often manage to get in homosexual references in your posts. Do you realize that? :fight
     
  13. Sakura

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    So, why he eat so much and try to take weight? because of his opponent was so much bigger and stronger...he knew he have to do it...
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I left Valuev out because he has a glandular disorder of some kind that's creating his gigantism. Wlad and Vitali are definitely bigger, but then again Oscar wasn't exactly massive in his own time period either. The Klitschkos (with whom large size clearly runs in the family, a la the Baer Brothers) are the same size as Bonavena contemporary Ernie Terrell.

    Bonavena was 204 lbs. when in top condition, and was smaller than many of the top heavyweights of his day. Ibragimov, Chagaev, and Brewster are in the same position, but they have more fat on them than Bonavena even at their best weights (and are not built like tanks). Like I said, there isn't much of a difference between these guys. All are around 220-230, and with a few pounds of weightloss would look strikingly similar to Oscar.
     
  15. Strike

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    Yeah most. Dempsey, Marciano and Louis have more than enough fire power to take Wlad. Wlad could also take them, but the reality is that he often freezes when hit and attacked. Even in fights he has gone on to win like Peter and Williamson he got tagged and stiffened up, panicked and lost composure.

    If that happened against someone like Louis he is done. Imagine Dempsey roaring out at him or Marciano storming over in the first round. Of course Wlad has the skill and power to stop them, but he had the skill and power to wipe out Sanders, Williamson, Brewster.....and yet he does not like that pressure and aggressiveness.

    Who the hell as Wlad beaten of note? The division is the worst it has been seen pre Dempsey.