What All Time Greats do you think Wlad Klitschko would beat?

Well it is only 2007 so maybe that's what they meant? Calzaghe actually fighting a live opponent is enough to send the fanatics into overdrive though.

As for the hall of fame of dumb posts you could always start a Klitschko fan quote of the week thread, there hasn't been one for a while

If 2smart turns up in this thread at some point I'm sure we'll have all the material we need.

 

Yeah nominating the dumbest posts of the week would be fun, I think the most delusional post ever is when Vicious boxer said he would beat Pavlik in a boxing match, thats number 1 in my book. I understand the Calzaghe/Kessler is a great fight in all, but its not even the best fight of the year, that title goes to Mayweather/Hatton.

 

That still doesn't top 2smart saying WALD has a better chin than Holyfield :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

Or fighting as cruisers?
Wlad could probably beat many of the old atg's, but so what?
were talking about fighters who were effectively in a different weight division.

 

Yeah thats Wlad loving on a whole new level.

 

My god Tyson would bum**** him!!
He'd probably beat him in a boxing match as well!:good

Klit vs

Frazier-Late stoppage if Joe can get past the first couple of rounds. Good matchup im.
Ali-tko by 10. Ali would find this tricky imo, but Wlad is to vulnreble.
Holmes- tko 6. Holmes matches up well except for power. He's superior in every other dept.
Tyson- Mismatch. Tyson by brutal anal invasion sometime before they get in the ring!
Holyfield- Holy close UD.

I dont hate Wlad. He's a talented fighter with noticable weaknesses.
Theres no shame in loosing to atg heavy's who are roughly the same sise as you are. As such I give him a 50/50 chance against Joe Louis.

P.S. Cant believe I forgot this match up. (must be all that absinthe:huh)
Lewis- See Andrew Golota. Lewis seemed to have a knack for sniffing out weakness!

 

Yeah...but, Tyson was still prime when he fought Douglas. Maybe not at his absolute peak, but close enough to it that it gives me an adequate gauge on how other tall boxers with better than average jabs would have done in similar circumstances.

But, then again...

I think a prime Ali would own Tyson...same with prime Lewis...and to a lesser extant prime Holmes and prime Liston. I think Holyfield beats Tyson every time they fight...twice on Sundays. I think Wlad, at his very best, with Manny in the corner, might be able to trouble Tyson with his jab and power. If he goes into huggy bear when Tyson gets close, then he's got a shot of winning.

Edit: I realize that 50/50 is probably too great of a ratio...but, against the most recent greats, I say Wlad still has best chance against Tyson than the others.

 

Ok NCF, I left shortly after making my last few posts. Here you raise a key issue about these debates. What criteria are you using to rank these fighters or estimate their h2h chances? There's mainly 3 ways to go (or some combo of these ways) 1. h2h in a time machine - no height/weight adjustment (the 220# Dempsey, etc); 2. performance vs his peers (this is what you refer to above); 3. p4p (p=pound) this is usually used to compare fighters of different weight classes, but can be used w/HWs since they have weighed from 160+ to unlimited going back over 100 years. My (and most posters here) comments about Wlad are using criteria #1.

A debateable point.

Joe had tremendous heart, as do less skilled fighters. I'd rank Joe's "heart" above Lewis, Wlad, and many others. But Joe would lose to most top modern HWs - as would most others.

 

Everything except their respective chins. And don't think big (in his era, not today) Sonny had such a chin edge. Sonny mostly faught CWs. Sure he looked strong on the inside vs Floyd at a buck 95. Think he'd push around an athletic near 250# man like that? I don't. You should see the big bear win a boring UD vs Eddie Machen*, a good, slick small HW (CW today). Wlad's win over the brutish Peter and destruction of the same sized Austin in 2 was much more impressive.

* A guy who was blown out by the glass jawed Ingo - who did have a damn good right.

 

OK fair enough I can't argue with the fact that Tyson was prime in age when he fought Douglas, and if that's the case then you can't argue that WALDO was prime in age when he fought Sanders and Brewster (enough of this horse**** about him being prime now, it's bull****)

Now ask yourself who looked worse, Tyson V Douglas, or WALDO V Sanders/Brewster?

I believe that Holyfield V Tyson after 1995 is a definate win for Holy, but I think a 1988 Tyson takes any version of Holyfield, back then the kid was just a freak of nature.

Agree with the prime Ali though, prime Ali owns every heavy that ever laced up the gloves. All these Klit-huggers only ever use the post-layoff Ali when they talk about WALD and VITLAY beating Ali. Prime Ali, no-one comes close.

 

Sorry but WALD beating Austin only looked impressive to the huggers. Bringing up Austin in any argument about how WALD would cope with ATG's is just wrong.

 

No chance at all. Tyson wasn't a good boxer, and even though I;m a fan of Klitschko, it should be clear to even his haters that he is an exceptional boxer.

If Tyson is going to beat Klitschko, he will stop him. The chances of Tyson outboxing Klitschko are slim to none.

It;s just a bad fight for Tyson. as seen in the Bonecrusher fight, he struggled against big boxers. Smith used his jab and walked away from him th whole fight. He set the blueprint on how to beat Tyson, which Douglas followed.

The Douglas fight is worth mentioning too, because the tactis Buster used were similar to the ones Klitschko has perfected. Stiff jab, quick one-two combos, avoid confrontation and fight on the backfoot.

I know your reply will be "Tyson wasn't at his bets then", and that's fair enough, but I do think what Klitschko has gives Tyson problems.

And obviously it's the other way around too. I don't know how well Klitschko would cope with a relentless beats like Iron Mike, but I doubt it would be too good. Tyson was ferocious and that's probably Klitschko's weakness. If he is allowed to box, Klitschko will do fantastically. if he is drawn into a fight, his mental weaknesses and fairly poor chin come into play.

If Tyson boxes, he loses.
If Klitschko fights, he loses.

 

Actually I think Pattersons problem with this fight is his peekaboo style, and the fact he'll wade in with hooks rather than straight punches. I think timing and closing the distance is extremely important against Wlad with fighters that have the questionable punching resistance of Hide and Patterson.

 

Ross was a big, durable 250# HW. If you come in too light and punch yourself out, you can lose to a Purrity. Ron Stander (a good crude slugger) stopped Shavers. Was Shavers not a top fighter? Why the "hate" on Ross - he could have given fits and beaten most of the small HWs of the past. Ringo being a good candidate ! :yep Except for very early in his career, he was only stopped once - by bro Vitali. No shame in that. :good

 

Or not impressive to the haters :yep Anyway I see you made your comedic appearance after I left this topic early in the dead of nite. You and box03 had a long, lovely duet singing your fav song "HW no good now". :nut