What All Time Greats do you think Wlad Klitschko would beat?

We certainly had a few choice words to say about the extremely weak heavywieght division, with gay Wlad leading the charge. You cant tell me the division isnt weak!

 

Yep, night night WALDO lover :roll:

Comedic? I dare you to prove it.

 

Who?

Proof? :think Your posts are out there for all of us to "enjoy" :roll: :yep

 

One name that jumps out is Ken Norton.

 

Great post. Couldn't agree more.

 

People are saying today's heavyweights are crap but they have been saying that for about thirty something years now maybe longer. Marciano's era, Jim Braddock's era, Michael Spinks' era were much crappier than this one.

 

There was a Michael spinks era? If it was it oly lasted for what 2 or 3 years thats not an era, it was time in between Holmes and Tyson 85-88. As far as people saying Marciano's era was weak, at least at that time the average american male knew who the champ was. I bet if you go out tomorrow night to a bar and ask people who the champ is I bet most people will say Holyfield or Lewis still, you might get 1 out 10 that will say Wlad. Face it the division is weak, and has been for a while now.

 

To me Dempsey actually matches up really well with Wlad, Dempsey is extremely fast, aggressive, with excellent head movement, quick on his feet and a powerful, fast swarming combination puncher, until i'm convinced Wlad doesn't flinch under fire I wouldn't pick against Dempsey... that's probably one of Wlads' greater problems, his mental weaknesses, i've seen a lot of him in the past and whilst these things have improved, i'm not convinced these 'problems' are entirely behind Wlad.

 

Perhaps, but Patterson's leaping hook is still significantly faster than any punch in Wlad's arsenal. Moreover (unlike Liston) Wlad lacks the uppercut to really rip into Patterson's peekaboo guard. His straight punches are less advantageous against Patterson's style of defense.

 

Patterson is very similar (except for chin) to Dempsey in terms of his approach. He sometimes boxed a bit more than Dempsey was wont to do, but his approach was of a kin.

 

I think aggression, and toughness have greater dividends than trying to box with Wladimir, also I think Dempsey was a bit more 'fearless' than Patterson, Patterson would feel intimidated by Wladimir (and his power).

 

True, but Patterson (despite the occasional boxing) did have an innate aggression. His evasiveness was extremely impressive, he worked the body consistently, and his hands were probably faster than Dempsey's. One other factor in his favor is the same one that wouldn't seem important at first--his mobility. Wlad likes to get "set" when he's attacking you, and a moving target like Patterson would force him to fight on the move, where he's prone to making more errors. It's the same weakness that might cause him trouble against Quarry. That, and Floyd hits a lot harder than most give him credit for.

Wlad's pawing jab and stationary one-two style is the sort of thing Patterson liked. A less mobile Byrd managed to get inside on Klitschko when he fought using a "peekaboo", but he was too flatfooted, too one-way, and couldn't do any damage.

That being said, Dempsey does have a better chance than Patterson. But Patterson still has an extremely good one.

 

Well technically Wlad is like bigger then most of the old heavyweights of past but that does not mean he would win. With his no heart and glass jaw. He knocks out his fair share. But with him its a toss up. Depends on the ref.

 

You make a good argument, I may be slightly biased against Dempsey since the first fights I saw of his were Liston 1-2, Ali 1 and Johanssen 1&2. So I'm used to seeing him soundly thrashed :yep

I just imagine a right hand landing on the guard, shaking Patterson (not to mention how much Listons' heavier jabs seemed to trouble Patterson, Wlads' also got a nice left hook, though it's a bit underused lately imo) and it spelling the beginning of the end for Patterson in the second or third round, you're right though I may be overrating Wlad in this one

 

True, Wlads chin,heart, and stamina issues would leave him looking pretty bad against pressure fighters like Tyson,Dempsey,Marciano. The only reason Wlad shines so well is because hes beating everyone in one of the weakest heavywieght divisions of all time, any fighter of yester year who had a good chin with above average power and wasnt afraid to put pressure on Wlad would walk through him.