What are Floyd Mayweather Jr. weekness? or Why I think he dose very well H2H.

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  1. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So what are his weekness? What about him and his style and abilities suguests tio you that he would not win a fanasty match up?
    I'm not saying that he beats everybody. However I would make a lot of money if I were a betting man based on the opinion in this forum.
    As for his weekmes. From what I can tell. 1. He can be a slow starter. The Judah, De La Hoya and Hatton fights are the best evdiance to that. In a close fight loseing those early rounds could cost him. 2. Being a counter puncher it is nesscarly to let the other guy get off first sometimes letting his opoent make contact on the shoulder or gloves. While these are non scoring shots in the heat of battle the judges might not be able to tell the diffrance. Also being a counter puncher may be what leads to his slow starts as he adjusts to his opoents style. 3. He dose not realy throw combos 4. he Dose not relay on a lead jab. The Phily-Shell style defense that he uses is not condusive to throwing combos or lead jabs. Usualy it is a stright right lead fallowed by a left hook and reset. 5. While his style is effective he is not the most exciting boxer to watch 6. His behiveor outside of the ring. I thought issues 3 & 4 should be adressed together so should 5 & 6. Both lead to crowd influence. There is a reason that certan boxers have more suport than others. Boxers who tend to be more offensive minded tend to have more fans than those who are defensive minded. Also it is hard to root for someone who comes off as a jerk
    I think these are his most glareing weekness.
    I think he make up for the first weekness by finishing strong. I think short of being stoped he would win pretty much any 15 round fight while he might not have enough points after 12 rounds. As for opoents making contact with him the contact is usualy not on a scoring part of his body and he usualy able to counter with a scoring shot of his own. While he might not throw more than 2 shots at a time they usualy both land. Another thing to consider is his size Mayweather is a big man even for his curent weight class 147. He is also effective at using his size to his advantage to the point that smaller guys who may be more acomplished and or skilled are going to have trubble getting to him.
    I think those who would beat Mayweather are the boxer type who willl make Mayweather come to them. It will also help to be taller or at least have a signifently longer reach. On the other hand I think any boxer who comes after Mayweather is going to fall into a trap. Mayweather is going to pick them off.
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Low output, lack of offensive variety, vulnerability to getting trapped on the ropes, crude defence, little power, unwillingness to engage...
     
  3. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He fights too scared, the bare minimum of offence to get by, always in his defensive shell.
     
  4. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And, of course, matchmaking. He's hardly a guy willing to go into the lions den for fights.
     
  5. Pressure high volume punching is what is key to beating Floyd. Especially in his older years. Call me stupid but I think Margerito is one with a chance against him.

    It counters his low output, unwillingness to engage, little power(although it is underrated) and getting caught in the ropes. Floyd ducks low a lot and i think Antonio has the ugly brutal style to seize that flaw in his style.
     
  6. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He's very great technically, but ripcity overrates him a bit, must be said. Mayweather's defence from a technical standpoint is brilliant, and he can adapt during a fight, which is a tremendous attribute. Fighters like Zab Judah though who had great handspeed were able to do well against him, and Judah was not a fighter who adapted well when a game plan was not going to plan. That's why i'd favour Whitaker, Whitaker has even more variation to his game than Floyd and would possibly be able to trump his man for that reason. The more technically sound guys have been able to fare better against Mayweather, such as Castillo and even Oscar, who is a technician but in the grand scheme of technical prowess on a greatness level, falls short. Mayweather is a true level elite fighter for me, so i'm not at all detracting from him, but i don't want to really hear about this unbeatable stuff, not when we're pitting him against every man in history anyway.
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think he approached the Judah fight a little differently because of a few things Judah was able to get Floyd to do early. He uncharacteristically stood his ground in the Judah and also the Corley fight and got caught a little. Those guys made him lead a little more than he wanted to, and in my opinion thats the way to get to Floyd. Make him lead and come forward and then start counterpunching him.
    I think what people are saying that hes vulnerable to pressure and getting trapped on the ropes is a little overated, because even when he does do that he doesnt lose rounds that much, so its really more him allowing his opponent to get close.
    The few times you saw him get nailed was when he was forced to come forward and not work off his backfoot and shoulder which is the way he likes to fight.
    The way to beat a counterpuncher and potshotter is to make him come forward and then unload on him with combinations and then back off again.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    He ccould really be doing with a better jab.It's not that it's particularly bad when he does throw it, but he isnt as educated with his left-hand work as a lot of other high-end pure boxers and stylists.relies a bit much on going into a shell defensively, when it would be better to jab and step off to the side.

    More napoles-esque slips and pivots while controlling the mid-distance exchanges with said jab would help his style in fights with other excellent/great fighters, where playing D is only going to get you outworked, even if you slip/block 4 punches for eveyr 1 that is getting through.
     
  9. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Funny how many weaknesses Floyd has. It must be his weak competition that lets him get away with so many mistakes. The guy is undefeated over 12-14 years of professional fighting, won a title in his 17th or 18th fight, yet hes so flawed. Its got to be the most amazing run since maybe Brian Nielson at heavyweight....
     
  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Point out which of the mentioned ones aren't there if you disagree. And yeah, his opposition isn't great historically spoken.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    said opposition means he doesn't have to make too many mistakes IMO.
     
  12. horst

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    For once, you've hit the nail on the head. His comp has been weak. If Floyd was at 147 10 years earlier, he wouldn't be keeping that zero in a division including Whitaker, Oscar, Tito, Ike, and then Mosley. Then again, he probably would because he wouldn't fight any of them.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    And to think Floyd won a poll against Ike Williams.
     
  14. horst

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    This and this pretty much sum it up. A very good fighter, but like everyone else he has flaws.
     
  15. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Its not so bad that he wouldnt have losses on his record if he was making so many mistakes either. Hes been fighting and moving up weight divisions his entire career. Hes not a particularly big strong guy either, and yes fighting on the championship level against his caliber of opposition would expose those deficiencies if they were there in a more convincing manner.
    Bottom line is hes undefeated, and until he gets exposed for the shortcomings so many of you point out, I say hes allowing certain things to happen more than his opponents are making it happen. I understand the hate for this guy, hes a total dip****, but hes a very talented fighter thats beaten a wide variety of styles, usually of which one or two or three matches up favorably over the course to expose a fighters shortcomings. Floyd for the most part has been dominant over all of them.
    No fighter is perfect, and there is a way to beat everyone, but so far Floyd has proven to be a very hard puzzle to crack.