What are Floyd Mayweather Jr. weekness? or Why I think he dose very well H2H.

Choice of ring and gloves?! You're actually starting to sound like Floyd with your infantile bull****.

I had never considered the ring and gloves angle before though. That puts a whole new spin on things all right. All of a sudden I think it might have been a virtuoso performance after all.... atsch

And there's absolutely no way Oscar had 15-20 pounds on Floyd that night. Oscar didn't even weigh 160 on fightnight when he fought at middle, and Floyd was 150 vs Oscar, so I fail to see how Oscar could have been between 165 and 170. Talk about agenda...

To say Floyd was past his best implies he was past-prime, which is yet more agenda-driven dog****.

 

Both were ruined by the first fight, maing COrrales win the bigger 1. Very close, both fighters resumes are very close the main difference being Castillo doing better against Mayweather.

Castillo was past it by the Hatton fight, but Hatton wrecked him and beat Tyszu to be top man at 140.

I'd rate all 3 fighters near each other, but styles make fights

Its laughable though that you make it sound as if Mayweather has only stepped up twice in his career and the rest of his opponents were bums. Hes taken on all manner of challenges

The Judah win is underrated, Judah had the second fastest hands in the sport, lost his undisputed title by looking past his opponent but was at his peak against Mayweather. Loads of power, fast feet, southpaw jab, faster hands than Mayweather - tough style for FMJ but you make it sound as if hes a hand picked bum, pure bias

 

Oscar has always added 10-15lbs between weigh in and fight night, hes always done it. he was 160 in his damn 147lb fights and your telling me he didnt cut weight in his 160lb fights Mayweather was actually 148 in the ring, not 150, check the facts

Mayweather was 30 and not as fast/fluid with less workrate and hand problems, watch his 130lb performances and tell me hes as good at 154 atsch

 

:rofl:rofl

I dont see much similarities in Benitez and Floyd.

It was a wrong example, I reviewed it - Floyd dominated but it was scrappy.

:rofl:rofl

 

1. Look at the defensive footwork, the style of shot slipping, the balance, the tendency to set traps by dropping the lead shoulder and rolling or stepping back, the use of angles, the jab to the body, the countering

2. Why scrappy?

3. What are you laughing at like Joe Louis, Ike and Arguello are plodders, its their key weakness, I'm not saying they arent great fighters

 

Floyd is more like Canto and Kaambay than Benitez, if i was to compare him to older great defensive fighters technically.I prefer them technically though, albeit floyd had better physical ability at his best weightclass(130).

 

I dont see any similarity with Kalambay, their techniques are polar opposities aparts. I'd stick with Benitez and Loche and obviously his daddy. Canto I havent seen much of, dont follow the tiny men

 

Mayweather isnt perfect there are a few different ways he could be beat. Despite what people think he CAN be outboxed there just isnt anyone good enough to do it today. Someone with a good jab like Hearns or Winky would easily beat him on the outside. But those are much bigger guys and Floyd started smaller so that isnt saying anything bad about Floyd. Today I believe he also could be out worked the way he only throws one punch at a time. That is Manny's best chance at beating him but I would strongly favor mayweather in that fight because I believe Pac would drop his output as he is getting countered. I think that Paul Williams could beat him at 147 due to output and I dont think Mayweather has the power to get his respect.

 

Polar opposites aparts.that doesn't even make sense.

All that shoulder roll/"philly shell" based stuff you mayweather fans harp on about like it was smething new is taken right from those guys and yeah, Locche as well.They were just a lot smoother about it and integrated more of Pep influence in Canto's repsect or more Napoles'esque slipping and mid distance work.

one of Floyd's main moves, taking the half-step, or double step back in a straight line to invite the opponent in, but with the low left protecting the body, high right glove and chin tucked in behind the shoulder, so he remains aware defensively, and can keep charge of the xchange, is an exact replica of those two....only they would usually counter with left-hooks(canto) or uppercuts(sumbu),and retake ring-centre while Floyd tends to stay along the ropes and invite an infight or play defence.

Benitez slipped punches in an entirely more improvised manner usually, and his more textbook defensive performances have more in common with Napoles or Conteh for punch-slipping.Love the way he would go into a deliberately exaggerated leaning position then slip the lead and bring thedouble jab up at an agle off of his front-fot pivot.

 

You just killerd him, you won't get a reply to this most likely.

 

I wrote a longer reply to this but my IE crashed, but I never said Mayweather was doing something new

Just because someone fights out of a half guard and uses defensive footwork, doesnt make them similar. Kalambay uses much more lateral movement using movement to get in and out of jabbing range while circling, Mayweather steps off and looks to drop his shoulder to set traps then slips and counter or potshots, then stepping out to reset. Their footwork/slipping/balance/pivoting are all very different, kalambay also fights tall while Mayweather like to crouch dropping the lead shoulder to invite his man in before slipping to his right hip, somewhat similar to the bolded part of your description of Benitez

Canto i havent watched enough of

Benetiz I explained my reasons for seeing similarities, obviously he isnt identicle, he poses similar problems for Hearns/Leonard either way

 

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then, as i see most of your defensive comparisons and analysis differently and we could go at this for hours which would miss the point of the thread.

I don't think overall kalamba, canto and mayweather look all that similar incidentally, but defensively there is far more of a crossover in techniques than with Benitez.i just can't see that comparison at all.Floyd uses more glove, shoulder and arm defence in two or three fights than Benitez did in his entire career, and the angles they give are entirely different.

 

As usual, you're defending against an attack which isn't being made. Saying that Castillo and Oscar were Floyd's two best opponents is not the same thing as saying everyone other than those two were bums. I think JLC and Oscar were his two best opponents, but I don't think the rest were "bums". I think Castillo was a clearly better fighter than Corrales or Hatton, but I don't think Corrales and Hatton were bums, far from it. You're extremely over-protective of your favourite.

Sorry but I disagree about Judah though. He was a mental midget coming off a beating by Carlos ****ing Baldomir. Judah lost to pretty much every top fighter he faced, he never materialized as a top level fighter. I rank Corrales, Castillo, Oscar and Hatton as better wins. Judah was tricky, but no more. Any top welter beats him down eventually. Floyd outpointing him at that time was not a particularly good win, it was routine.