What Are the 5 best Woulda Shoulda fights that Coulda but weren't ?

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Tell me more.
     
  2. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know you're not asking me JT but here's my two cents.
    This is detailed in the book Four Kings. I've read it but unfortunately my memory is lacking. I'll look it up tonight. I know there's a "faction" that believes Ray ducked Cuevas. I hardly think choosing to fight Duran instead is taking the easy way out. Ray and Mike Trainer generally (if not exclusively) went where there was more money to be made. Based on what Tommy Hearns and Duran did to Cuevas I don't think Ray would've had much trouble. I think it's pretty clear that Cuevas, although a very good champion, was the lesser of those 4 welterweights. I personally think Ray would have shown Cuevas' power due respect but would've picked him apart and gotten him out of there in the middle rounds.
     
  3. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Charley Burley vs. Sugar Ray Robinson
    Sugar Ray Leonartd vs. Aaron Pryor
    Salvador Sanchez vs. Alexis Arguello
    Tony Ayala, Jr. vs Roberto Duran
    Larry Holmes vs. Greg Page

    Here's some more:

    Gene Tunney vs, Kid Norfolk
    John L. Sullivan vs. Peter Jackson
    Jack Dempsey vs. Harry Wills
    Sam Langford vs. Jack Dempsey
    Sam Langford vs. Jess Willard
    Barbados Joe Walcott vs. Jim Corbett (he knocked Corbett down in sparring)
     
  4. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. Then as now, it was regarded as a blatant robbery, on par with Whitaker-Chavez or Lewis-Holyfield.

    I remember one writer who commented that if you didn't actually see the referee raise both hands (which signifies a draw) then you just assumed Armstrong was the new champ.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Hey cheers Natonic. I particularly like you choice of the word "faction".

    :good
     
  6. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    nick wells vs holmes III
     
  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    SQ: Great call on Walcott/Moore ...
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    cheers for the describition

    from what i saw about 25 min highlights Armstrong was getting the best of him but obviously Highlights can be made to make 1 fighter better or worse

    also Garcia came up from Welterweight too didnt he
     
  9. Nick Balsamo

    Nick Balsamo Member Full Member

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    There's so many to list but these are the fights I would've like to see the most:

    Sugar Ray Leonard vs Aaron Pryor
    Mike McCallum vs Thomas Hearns
    James Toney vs Bernard Hopkins
    Larry Holmes vs George Foreman
    Lennox Lewis vs Riddick Bowe
     
  10. headhunter

    headhunter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  11. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What's funny about that?.

    Francis was a damn good fighter when he ruined his shoulder.A fight ebtween him at that time and the young calzaghe would have been a great fight between two up and coming prospects ala Watson vs Benn.
     
  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, he was the top-rated welter contender for about 4 or 5 years straight, and in that time was blasting out almost every welter contender put in front of him. He just couldn't win the big one, against Ross and Armstrong - though some people speculate that it was the body beating he dealt to Ross that ruined him before Armstrong got to him.

    After that he decided to try his luck at 160, and he twice beat an up-and-coming Lloyd Marshall, which earned him a shot at Apostoli. Apostoli was red hot then and no one thought a "blown up welter" could take him - but Garcia proved them wrong.
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    so garcia was a decent fighter aswell
     
  14. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is one i wanted to see just as Ike got injured. I actually thought at the time ( 98 ) Ike would have beaten Tito
     
  15. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i think it would have been a very even fight too, tito was a beast and ike was a beast. their fights with vargas and dlh really show how style make fights and i couldent make a very accurate prediction.

    but i thought that ike was physically stronger and had that great jab, i think ike could have won at points at his best at welter.... however i cant help but think about how ike got wobbled by jose luis lopez.