What are your thoughts on Napoles/Hearns? Opinions please.

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  1. Sweet Pea

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    I've been thinking about this fight, having just re-watched Napoles/Monzon, Napoles/Cokes I, Napoles/Lopez I, etc. I also watched a bit of Hearns the past few days in Hearns/Duran, Hearns/Cuevas, and Hearns/Hagler.

    I've seen other footage of them as well, but when thinking about this matchup believe it or not it I thought it was Napoles's fight with Monzon that lead me to believe he could hang with Hearns at WW. Obviously he took a beating in the 5th and 6th rounds, but what he also did was proved he could take boatloads of punishment and keep coming. He showed he could pressure effectively, only problem was Monzon's huge size and strength advantage. Just too much reach and spacing. Monzon was pretty much impossible for a smaller fighter to get in on or do work on. Still, he showed me in early rounds of the fight that he had the ability to get in on someone with the size of Hearns, but better strength, durability, and ability to fight off the backfoot. Napoles landed plenty of flush shots on Monzon, and managed to close the distance very quickly at times and land consecutive shots early on in the fight before Monzon had really figured out the distance and pace, as he would later.

    My questions are:

    Do you think he could land similar shots early on on Hearns?

    Do you think Hearns could take them as well as the much more durable Monzon?

    If Hearns were to catch Napoles with a flush shot or a flush right, would it be able to hurt him more than Monzon's did later in their fight?

    Would Hearns go on one of his punching sprees if he did tag Napoles, and would Napoles be able to exchange well with Hearns as he did so many others?

    Could Hearns take Napoles's return fire?

    Do you think Hearns would go on the move like he did Leonard if Napoles tagged him good, and force Napoles to play aggressor?

    And of course, do you think with a well placed shot or a shoot-out, Hearns could or would cut Napoles?

    Couple of things to consider:

    1) Napoles was neither in his prime years nor his prime weight when he faced Monzon, he was much more comfortable and suited in size at WW(though he was really more of a LW).

    2) Hearns has the better quickness than Monzon, but he certainly didn't have the durability, and Napoles proved his toughness against Monzon, and proved his ability to exchange in most of his fights. Also, Napoles was quicker at WW, though he did move good against Hearns.

    I'd really like to hear opinions on this one, from people who have seen sufficient footage of both fighters.

    edit: Also consider that Hearns was normally better at brawling and firing back while off the backfoot at higher weights, whereas at 147 when against someone like Leonard he always lost and was hurt in the punching exchanges.
     
  2. Longhhorn71

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    I go with Hearns in a Cuevas or Duran type k.o......Hearns had much more "one punch" type power than Monzon.

    But I will run this by Coke's Manager and see what he thinks....and get back with you.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    I think that's absurd. Monzon hit him with countless flush right hands at MW, which in a literal sense were probably as hard as the WW Hearns's punches, and he never went down. Early on he was able to find his way in often as well.
     
  4. Longhhorn71

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    Hearns 6' 1 "....Napoles 5' 7-1/2 "

    Hearns 78" reach....Napoles 72" reach

    Tough giving up 5 inches in height and 6 inches in reach against
    a guy who has a track record of blasting out similar sized, iron jaw
    opponents.
     
  5. Sweet Pea

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    Monzon 6'0......Napoles 5'7-1/2

    Monzon 76'' reach.......Napoles 72'' reach

    Neither of the opponents he faced(at the time he faced them) were capable of applying effective speed, pressure or gameplan. Cuevas never proved his chin like Napoles anyway.

    Read my original post, answer the questions in it.
     
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  7. the cobra

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    I too felt Napoles could beat Hearns after watching his fight with Monzon. He proved his chin by taking a lot of punishment from a solid puncher who is naturally much bigger, and did connect with a good amount of flush shots of his own. I see a Hearns-Napoles figth going one of two ways.

    (a) something like Hearns-Benitez, with Tommy boxing more than punching, but Napoles footwork and mobility possibly earning him a decision over Tommy.

    (b) the more likely scenario, someone gets knocked out. Both men have the power to hurt the other, both have the ability to land flush on the other. Considering Napoles slickness and superior chin, I'd actually take him to get Hearns before The Hitman got him, although I'm not too confident in that. If Napoles doesn't stop Tommy within 8 rounds, I'd probably lean towards Hearns to have landed enough so that one straight right hand could end it around the 9th or 10th. This would be a good fight, certainly more than the chessmatch that the other option would become.
     
  8. the cobra

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    That's absurd. Tommy would not do any better against Monzon than Napoles did.
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    I think the second option is more likely, given the fact that Napoles was simply not at all content to fight a fight like Benitez did while remaining on the losing end of the boxing exchanges. He was just too determined. Also, I thought Hearns beat Benitez pretty damn wide(the MD was absurd IMO), though the fight was competitive.

    This would be a very interesting fight though.
     
  10. the cobra

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    Yes, the 2nd option is far more likely. In this fight, I think despite how "laser-giuded" most of his shots were, I think Hearns would have a difficult time at hitting Napoles at all, especially with a clean shot that landed with full force. Where as Napoles would be able to hit Tommy with more ease (not easy, but easier than Hearns would hit him), and Napoles was a sharp, compact puncher with some serious power. If the simply exchange, I actually believe Napoles takes it, and I feel secure with that predicition. Simply throwing punches at Napoles would mean Tommy would miss a lot, but Napoles was so calm in the exchanges and so was so skilled at fighting while moving and countering, meaning he would hit Hearns with a lot more clean shots than Hearns would hit him.

    I scored the Hearns-Benitez fight 10-5 for Hearns, although once I had it 11-4. Oddly enough, if it's a decision I favor Hearns, but if it's a knockout I favor Napoles.
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    I think Hearns would hit Jose with a decent amount of clean shots if it came to an exchange, and even if he didn't a glancing blow could cause a cut, that's all I'm worried about. I just think Napoles would probably take the shots better than vice-versa, even though Hearns did hit harder.

    I still consider this fight virtually 50/50, as much as I'm favoring Napoles.
     
  12. the cobra

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    Well cutting is always the big concern in a Napoles bout, but in H2H comparisons I don't like to use that as a means of winning. I't more or less chance, although Tommy had the kind of punches that could open a dangerous gash on Napoles, so it probably does come more into play in this fight.

    I'd say it's 50/50 as well, I was just making an argument for Napoles due to all of the other posters picking Hearns by early and brutal knockouts.
     
  13. Sweet Pea

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    :good Napoles is also one of my very favorites.
     
  14. the cobra

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    I don't get how someone can watch him in his prime and not be fascinated by him. He was a marvelous fighter, beautiful to watch. And in this match-up, Napoles is much more of the Ray Leonard type fighter than the Pipino Ceuvas type, so I don't get how everyone seems to believe Tommy blows him away early.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    I see a Hearns stoppage via cuts while leading on points. Hearns jab and hand speed allied to his size is the key here. This will make it hard for Napoles to slip punches as incredibly well as he usually does and the danger of the right hand will be omnipresent. Hearns is one puncher who can definitely slice Napoles soft skin IMO. Hearns has a sizable speed advantage in this one.