What are your thoughts on Rungvisai's destruction of Gonzalez

Your fact is highly inaccurate, 99,9% of ppl. actually watch boxing on television, and they couldn't tell a bantamweight and a welterweight apart if their life depended on it.

The more accurate fact would be powers historically pushing HWs and large boxers back in the days large screen TVs weren't available and you had a better experience watching it live where size did matter. Surely HW is still where the most unwarranted hype's at, but that didn't stop monumental ratings for the Barrera-Marquez-Pac-Morales era or Oscar fighting at small classes, nor tens and tens of millions of Filipinos or Mexicans tuning in for their hero, putting the entire US yearly boxing viewership to shame. Strictly speaking United States, there aren't many tiny Americans to up TV's interest, whereas tiny Japanese are megastars in their country, and that is an actual fact of today.

So less ppl. watching the small divisions overall is not because they have some sort of midget phobia or cause TVs ran out of zoom lenses. It's just them watching what's available, and grander the scale, the more safe promoters and TVs play, which is bigger divisions.

 

U seen them side by side or just assume it is true with your subconscious of weight knowledge creeping in? One could easily mistake a skinny Trinidad with a more muscular bantam on TV for a larger guy, it's not like ppl. are size experts and the wife comes in "dear, those are not men fighting but little boys, let's watch one of them 80s action movies instead".

Did you actually know most Hollywood actors, muscled up included, are usually small ppl.? Did it ever stopped you watching them?

 

105 because we do have some very little guys. 112, 118, 126 and so on. Kind of like in the old days. But because the heavyweights are such giants now, i think they should look into making a new weight division.
I have been giving this some thought from time to time.
LHW 175, CW 190 and the new division 210. Or something like that and thats a maybe. Just something to look into. Definitely get rid of all of the "super" divisions.

 

Gonzalez beat Rungvisai like a drum the first time, one of the worst decisions of all time. But for the second fight you could tell something was wrong with Gonzalez even in the pressers leading up to the fight. I know that his lifelong trainer died and so either he wasn't getting the same quality of training as before, wasn't getting the same "supplements" he was before, or maybe didn't have the same confidence in his assistant turned head trainer. Or, it could be that he was mentally broken after his first technical loss, or the first fight took something from him. Maybe, he'd been in too many wars, or was having personal problems, declined overnight since he's at that age when flyweights often break down and retire. It's possible something was wrong with his personal life, had a bad training camp, or was feeling ill, but the Gonzalez that got into the ring for the second Rungvisai fight wasn't the one we've been seeing for the last couple years.

Based on how well he did against Estrada, I'm no longer willing to call Rungvisai a Segura/Provodnikov level talentless bruiser, but I do believe that he got very lucky and is massively overrated.

 

I love seeing the little guys fight. They are so fast and have higher workrates per round than the higher classes. My problem is that the commentary isn't in English. I don't like watching boxing with someone blathering Spanish or Japanese at me the whole time. I don't like turning off the sound either. I like a good commentary team and feel like it elevates the experience.

 

Tito is obviously much larger in real life, but perhaps what he means is on tv the cameraman will zoom a lens until whoever he's covering fills the same space on the screen; and proportionally these men are the same? I know I don't notice sometimes, as long as the frame is in close up. It's only when they pull back to medium or long range shots to show the entire ring or the crowds that I tend to compare the height of the men to the height of the ring posts, or when the gigantic referee steps in to break them up.

 

A lone orphan child lost in the meadow

 

Hated to see Choco go out like that but frankly it was a karmic cherry-pick gone wrong.

 

How is that Karma or a cherry pick? Leading up to Rungvisai, a former champion, Gonzalez fought half a dozen champions or former champions. He has a better track record than Lomachenko or anyone else playing the game right now. Cuadras, Estrada, Viloria, Yaegashi, and Sosa are as tough as it comes down there. That's roughly Mayweather's resume pre-De La Hoya. HBO was making Chocolatito work for his money, and he was still only making like 150k a pop. Rungvisai, the former champion, who'd lost once in like his last thirty fights was rated #4 at the weight. Besides, how is anybody in the top 10 a cherrypick in your fourth weight class?

 

I think first fight was close, but he was just too tough and powerful for Gonzalez. Second fight, Gonalez looked like he was mentally not there.

 

It sounds look you mistook my post for a dig at Gonzalez, it wasn't.

My take is that Gonzalez went back on his promise to rematch Cuadras because he probably thought Rungvisai(a Cuadras victim) would have been an easier win.