What ATG welters would '79-'80 Duran beat?

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Strictly head to head match-ups, who is vulnerable to 'manos de piedra'?:think
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Leonard, Armstrong, Benitez maybe, Delahoya, Trinidad, Griffith, Ross
     
  3. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

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    The "no more" didn't shake you regarding Leonard?
     
  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Benitez stylistically might have Duran's number....but Roberto was much more active at welter than junior middle, that could be a difference. Griffith v Duran is a tough one to call....Duran could possibly force the fight and win with aggression, but Griffith is very strong on the inside...He may offset Duran at his own game.
     
  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As in who Duran beats?? I dont see Duran beating Barney Ross, thats for sure. :lol:
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    He'd beat plenty of them.
     
  7. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I will go out on a limb and say the montreal duran could beat any welter in history,including robinson....
    I think the hardest fight for welter duran is 1980 tommy hearns...And im still unsure how it would go...
     
  8. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    So, you're saying the 79-80 Duran couldn't beat Leonard? I think you'll find that 'factually', you're pissing in the wind. :good
     
  9. McGrain

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    How do you think that man would do with Napoles?
     
  10. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Damm you. :twisted: ;)


    Phew, it is hard to see many beating that version of Duran, including Napoles (although I'd definitely fancy Robinson and Tommy off the top of my head). Still, it's too hard to say: would 'butterball' be as willing to trade as Leonard would? I'm not too sure, but maybe he'd be forced too. That's a tough pick, it's a real 50/50 fight.
     
  11. McGrain

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    :lol:


    I think you'd be prepared to hazzard a guess at my pick. Be a good one though.
     
  12. My dinner with Conteh

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    I do find the 'best night' argument too difficult to pick. Napoles does have the power to, perhaps, give Duran seconds thoughts of going toe-to-toe. Then again, Ray could hit fairly well.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think, basically, you have to do what Hearns did or what Hagler did to slow Duran down, that is, KO him, or hit him with very accurate punches, otherwise he is going to try to bully you, even if you are God. Napoles might have a dose of the later right enough, but I wouldn't bet on him slowing Duran down quite enough. Duran had those reactions to help himself in this situation, and let's not forget also, Hagler is a punching MW, Napoles is a punching WW. As the night gets old I think Duran moves away with the decision. It would be one of these fights that looks really even and then all of a sudden one of them is three rounds ahead going into the 12th/13th.
     
  14. My dinner with Conteh

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    Yeah, there's definitely a touch of the 'Montreals' in this one.
     
  15. enquirer

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    Mcgrain,there is no welter really that could beat duran the way hagler did,also duran was well over his best weight/mobility for the hagler fight so that fight is not an accurate barometer for duran at 147,where he was still quick,mobile and had great stamina.(he ran out of gas in the later rounds v hagler,if hagler was a natural 147 roberto would clearly outpoint him,and at 135 roberto runs him out of the ring.)
    Beating duran hearns style (at 154.) i think no other fighter in history could do that,hearns had the exact blend of lightning speed,rapier jab,reach/size advantages,killer instinct and awesome one punch power to beat an unconditioned,older and fatter version of duran...Maybe hearns could still beat montreal duran at 147,but duran had much greater mobility,condition and reflexes to avoid punches down there,as well as being fast enough to counter...At welter its a fascinating fight,and all depends on duran being able to slip tommys jab,if he can he wins,if not hearns wins...
    Im suprised somebody hasnt mentioned benitez, (given how easily he beat duran at 154.) although,again,duran at 147 is a very different animal...
    This would be very interesting as well,does the 'alleged' trouble roberto has with slicksters really exist at 135/147 or is it one of those myths that is repeated often enough and so becomes the accepted line?