What boxer deserves Ward's #2 P4P ratiing more than Ward?

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  1. GGGIsABum

    GGGIsABum Guest

    There are many repated threads, at least once a week for stripping Ward of his #2 P4P rating.

    Suppose it was stripped from Ward and open.

    Who has displayed the same level of elite skills against elite opponents to take the #2 below the #1 P4P, Floyd Mayweather?
     
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  2. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the p4p list is mythical so I don't really understand.
    I've never had ward as my #2. and I don't think I even have him in my top 3...

    p4p should really be 1 person, the #1 spot for the best fighter in the sport. I guess us fans love these fictional rankings and fictional atg rankings.

    these are all opinions which cannot be proven correct or incorrect
     
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  3. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His status isn't getting stripped because he doesn't deserve it (when he doesn't really anyway, consensus top 10 yeah- but there are guy's out there just as talented) - it's getting stripped because he's inactive for over a year.

    It's been over 2 years since his last meaningful fight anyway, and almost three since his last top 5 ranked SMW win.

    He's de facto retired, that's why he's getting dropped.
     
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  4. The General

    The General Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gonzalez - has been a dominant 3 weight world champion and has beaten everyone in style and great entertainment value

    Pacquio - one punch doesn't transform you from p4p number 1 to no hoper, also Bradley was considered top 3 p4p by many and Manny beat him twice

    Wlad - a victim of his own success and has been incredibly dominant for 10 years

    although they will be very reluctant to drop him as number 2 as theres no americans to take his place as number 2. And with Floyd soon to retire im sure they aren't keen on a foreign number 1
     
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  5. GGGIsABum

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    Thanks for responding, but since you don't believe in P4P ratings and have no opinion on the subject, exactly why are you in this thread?:huh
     
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  6. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is the right answer.
     
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  7. GGGIsABum

    GGGIsABum Guest

    The question wasn't why he is being dropped.
     
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  8. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good

    My point was he will be dropped for inactivity- and deserves to be. He doesn't deserve to be ranked p4p #2 off beating Froch 3 years ago.

    Well I guess the Ring will promote who ever is p4p #3 in their joke rankings (Which will hilariously be Wlad).

    Who deserves it most?

    Gonzalez imo - he already deserves to be ranked above Ward.
     
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  9. GGGIsABum

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    P4P is hypothetical.
    It's meaning varies depending on the ranker, and their subjective viewpoint.
    I think most ranker such as RING and Boxing rec use points systems to derive their rankings along with quality of opposition defeated.

    As example, Vlad's level of opposition has been far below that of Ward's, and JMM may deserve #2 more than Pac.
     
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  10. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxrec use a points system.

    The Ring use a panel of 'experts'.
     
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  11. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    2nd should be Pac for obvious reasons.
     
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  12. The General

    The General Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this is the boxrec top ten using a point scoring system

    1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
    2.Manny Pacquiao
    3.Wladimir Klitschko
    4.Juan Manuel Marquez
    5.Andre Ward
    6Saul Alvarez
    7.Carl froch
    8.Gennady Golovkin
    9.Adonis Stevenson
    10.Danny Garcia
     
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  13. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A person who actually boxes once in a while?
     
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  14. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's an entirely points based ranking, no human, just one big ass calculation.

    It means arse all.
     
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  15. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anyone who actually fights. Pacquiao will likely take the spot post-Algieri.
     
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