What boxers did Rocky Marciano consciously and deliberately duck, if any?

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    you have to count the men who weighed 200lb on the dot

    22-1
     
  2. Jason Thomas

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    here are Moore's fights against men at 200 or more--* indicates a Moore KO victory:

    George Fitch (200)--41-17-3 *
    Abel Cestac (223)--38-10-3
    Abel Cestac (224 1/2)--38-11-3*
    Karol Sys (200 1/2)--94-13-8 (Draw)
    Alfredo Lagay (200)--38-10-12*
    Embrell Davidson (209 3/4)--20-2*
    Leonard Dugan (209)--5-0*
    Nino Valdes (209 12)--21-5-3
    Al Spaulding (210)--25-23-1*
    Frank Buford (200)--21-19-7*
    Bob Baker (209)--31-4-1*
    Nino Valdes (209 1/2)--32-8-3
    Bob Dunlap (200)--30-12-1*
    Willie Bean (211)--41-24-5*
    George Parmentier (233)--17-11-4*
    Jim Parker (211 1/4)--28-5-4*
    Roy Shire (205)--debut*
    Hans Kalbfell (210 1/2)--16-1
    Alain Cherville (200)--23-5-1*
    Bob Albright (225)--21-7-3*
    Sterling Davis (212)--debut*
    Alejandro Lavorante (211)--19-2*
    Howard King (200)--41-24-8*
    Muhammad Ali (204)--15-0 (Loss)
    Mike DiBiase (230)--debut*

    comes out to 23-1-1 with 19 KO's. If we take out the debuting fighters, it still comes to 20-1-1 with 16 KO's, which is quite impressive. Moore fought more 200 or above men than Louis, and probably Dempsey. Tunney only fought one. Other than the debuting trio, they all had winning records.
     
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  3. Liston73

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    No actually I don't.
    This is what you posted.
    Archie Moore went 22-1 with 19 knockouts against men above 200lb


    If you want to count farces against wrestlers who had never had a boxing match you must be pretty desperate to prove something,I'm just not at all sure what?
     
  4. Gazelle Punch

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    11 fighters were over 200. You forgot Lee Savold. Marciano went 11-0 with 11KOs of men over 200. It obviously didn’t affect him.
     
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    Savold was 200lbs even.
    I don't forget too much.
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

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    That counts as 200 plus
     
  7. Jason Thomas

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    Nice quote. Both SI & The Ring had articles about Weill pushing for Baker as Marciano's next challenger rather than Moore.

    Makes sense to me as Moore was by far the more dangerous opponent to all but the "size is everything" crowd.
     
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    here are Moore's fights against men at 200 or more--* indicates a Moore KO victory:

    George Fitch (200)--41-17-3 *
    Abel Cestac (223)--38-10-3
    Abel Cestac (224 1/2)--38-11-3*
    Karol Sys (200 1/2)--94-13-8 (Draw)
    Alfredo Lagay (200)--38-10-12*
    Embrell Davidson (209 3/4)--20-2*
    Leonard Dugan (209)--5-0*
    Nino Valdes (209 12)--21-5-3
    Al Spaulding (210)--25-23-1*
    Frank Buford (200)--21-19-7*
    Bob Baker (209)--31-4-1*
    Nino Valdes (209 1/2)--32-8-3
    Bob Dunlap (200)--30-12-1*
    Willie Bean (211)--41-24-5*
    George Parmentier (233)--17-11-4*
    Jim Parker (211 1/4)--28-5-4*
    Roy Shire (205)--debut*
    Hans Kalbfell (210 1/2)--16-1
    Alain Cherville (200)--23-5-1*
    Bob Albright (225)--21-7-3*
    Sterling Davis (212)--debut*
    Alejandro Lavorante (211)--19-2*
    Howard King (200)--41-24-8*
    Muhammad Ali (204)--15-0 (Loss)
    Mike DiBiase (230)--debut*

    comes out to 23-1-1 with 19 KO's. If we take out the debuting fighters, it still comes to 20-1-1 with 16 KO's, which is quite impressive. Moore fought more 200 or above men than Louis, and probably Dempsey. Tunney only fought one. Other than the debuting trio, they all had winning records.
     
  9. Liston73

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    MEN ABOVE 200 LBS
    IF I AM 200LBS I AM NOT OVER 200LBS. I am 200LBS
    Some pretty desperate fans here.God only knows why , and I repeat I did not raise the weight issue .
     
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  10. Gazelle Punch

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    It’s always 200 plus not above 200 and any desperate reach to say 200 doesn’t count is absurd. Extremely weak if you’re trying to score points.
     
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    I'm trying to score nothing.
    This is Suzie's post.
    Archie Moore went 22-1 with 19 knockouts against men above 200lb. That does not say 200lbs AND above it says ABOVE 200lbs! If I am200lbs I am not ABOVE 200lbs I AM 200lbs.
    I don't know how this could be made any plainer! The absurdity is all on your side!
     
  12. Jason Thomas

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    It always has been for me also. When the 2 appears on the scale you have reached 200 lbs.

    How many weigh exactly 200 lbs.?

    actually, hardly any, as a lb. is 454 grams and once the scale shows 200 lbs. you will almost always have some grams over that, even if you have not reached the 114 grams needed to call it 1/4 lb.

    Liston 73 is making a pretty desperate argument by my lights.

    In fairness to Liston 73, his point about Moore padding his above 200 lb. opponent total with fights with wrestlers is well taken. Three of those fights mean nothing. But Moore overall has an impressive record against 200 lb. plus men.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    you sound like a bitter whiny nitpicking nat

    It’s always 200 plus not above 200 and any desperate reach to say 200 doesn’t count is absurd. Extremely weak if you’re trying to score points.
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    Just to clarify since poster Liston had a conniption over me leaving one word out

    Archie Moore went 22-1 with 19 knockouts again men at or above 200lb

    Go chew on some nails grasshopper
     
  15. Liston73

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    Sys was a half a pound over 200lbs did I make any objection to him being included? I never raised the weights issue to begin with YOU did ! I know what an imperial pound is in grams.I buy enough frozen dog meat in blocks to be up to speed with it.I never suggested Moore didn't have an impressive record against the big guys,though why that is relevant to Marciano's resume I'm none too sure!
     
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